May 2015 Provincial Election Thread v2

[peter12]

Ah yes, minimum wage. Another boomer policy to feel good at the expense of millennials.

[CaptainCrunch]

One thing I did notice and I'm pretty regimented in the goceries that I buy each week is that there has been a price increase on everything I buy.

Its not huge, but a dollar here and a dollar there . . .

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Polak and Psychnet are teaching me a lot about the "progressive" capacity for empathy.

Right, empathy should only be felt for business owners, but not their employees.

[Resolute 14]

Dude is going out of business and his employees are losing jobs. But eff him and his employees because he's not as pious and perfect as you, eh Psycnet?

[polak]

fyi I have hated the NDP raising the minimum wage in this environment since the beginning. I argued that it should have been done but forcing it through now was a dumb move. Still stand by that.

But if you're business model relies on paying as little as possible for your labour, then it's a flawed business model.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by JayP

There's actually lots of evidence that transporting food long distances by rail can be more environmentally friendly than fossil-fuel-heated greenhouses transporting their food into cities by truck (which is 10 times less efficient than rail).

So, yes, thanks NDP.

So the food is being grown right next to the rail cars it's loaded on and we pick it up at the train station?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Right, empathy should only be felt for business owners, but not their employees.

It has to be for both, but it seems like the government is strategically doing a piss poor job of even thinking about supporting business and especially smaller businesses.

Businesses aren't there as feel good employment factories.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Zevo

So the food is being grown right next to the rail cars it's loaded on and we pick it up at the train station?

Yes, by foot.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Right, empathy should only be felt for business owners, but not their employees.

For lots of small businesses, the difference is pretty negligible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

fyi I have hated the NDP raising the minimum wage in this environment since the beginning. I argued that it should have been done but forcing it through now was a dumb move. Still stand by that.

But if you're business model relies on paying as little as possible for your labour, then it's a flawed business model.

That's a clueless statement, the proper statement is that if the segment can't survive international competition then we should get out of the segment which leaves the employees with nothing.

And funny story since the only way that this business would be able to adjust and survive is to jack up their prices and become even more factor proof, which makes it less competitive to the international competition.

[peter12]

Don't clueless lefties love local food?

[polak]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That's a clueless statement, the proper statement is that if the segment can't survive international competition then we should get out of the segment which leaves the employees with nothing.

And funny story since the only way that this business would be able to adjust and survive is to jack up their prices and become even more factor proof, which makes it less competitive to the international competition.

What is the difference between saying a business model doesn't work and saying that we should get out of that segment?

Actually the best course of action would be for the feds to start increasing the tariffs on produce that is farmed by illegal labor. I don't see how it's much different than the tarrifs on Chinese Tires or other products that are undercutting domestic production by selling at under cost.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It has to be for both, but it seems like the government is strategically doing a piss poor job of even thinking about supporting business and especially smaller businesses.

Businesses aren't there as feel good employment factories.

Businesses are also not guaranteed profit factories either. It's not like they're implementing some sort of crazy extra expensive regulations here. They're just making them follow the bare minimum level of employment standards that every other industry has to operate by.

If your business can't handle that then it's flawed.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Dude is going out of business and his employees are losing jobs. But eff him and his employees because he's not as pious and perfect as you, eh Psycnet?

Eff him, yeah. He's a whiny ####### who built his business on minimal recompense.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by polak

Businesses are also not guaranteed profit factories either. It's not like they're implementing some sort of crazy extra expensive regulations here. They're just making them follow the bare minimum level of employment standards that every other industry has to operate by.

If your business can't handle that then it's flawed.

Yes they are. That is why youth unemployment is double what it was, and businesses are starting to close down.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Eff him, yeah. He's a whiny ####### who built his business on minimal recompense.

You have absolutely no idea.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I wonder when we'll start seeing right-wing movements opposing globalization. Most G7/8 protests seem to only be filled with hippie-types.

Right-wing parties in Europe tend to be passionately opposed to the EU and its open borders for trade and labour.

[PsYcNeT]

So basically all of these business owners are starting business with the intention of running super-thin profit margins predicated on the minimum wage/labor regulations never changing?

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by polak

But if you're business model relies on paying as little as possible for your labour, then it's a flawed business model.

Outside of Gravity Payments , every business tries to maximize talent /labour cost ratio. That's how you turn a profit. If you're paying more for your talent then the competition and not getting better production from those employees to compensate you're going out of business.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by username

No, you know what's a shame? That that those poor employees now have no job as opposed to a job without benefits that they've NEVER had in the past.

It's like people don't understand that policies should have normative elements that are larger than the individual.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So basically all of these business owners are starting business with the intention of running super-thin profit margins predicated on the minimum wage/labor regulations never changing?

It's probably not the intention, just the reality.