07-07-2013, 12:22 PM
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#541
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
this is the salient quote from FN:
"As for Breen, the Flames have been good at identifying free agents coming out of junior under Sutter's reign (Giordano, Wideman, Richie Regehr, Ryan Wilson), but it would surprise me he had NHL upside. Any guy who stands 6'7" and doesn't get drafted in junior must have some pretty significant holes in his game. That said, I've never seen him nor read any scouting reports, so it's possible there's more to him than just merely being huge."
seem pretty innocuous to me...
I far as I know, he hasn't played a game in the NHL? Am I mistaken? I can't find any stats at least...
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My point was they don't bother to do research. Kent Wilson is beyond what I would call a hack. He is sheer garbage and gives bloggers a bad name. What is the point of even writing a piece if you aren't going to research it? But it's Wilson style to write without facts and put a negative spin on things.
and considering everyone from Feaster to regular viewers says Breen is NHL ready, he has the NHL upside that was mentioned in the "article".
I honestly don't know how anyone can defend Wilson
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07-07-2013, 12:37 PM
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#542
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Wow, in slamming Wilson you've pretty much damned yourself. Guy is one of the best flames analysts, point out relevant examples where he's way off base overly harsh etc
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07-07-2013, 12:42 PM
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#543
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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The quote flat out admits to never seeing him play OR even read a scouting report....
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07-07-2013, 01:00 PM
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#544
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
Wow, in slamming Wilson you've pretty much damned yourself. Guy is one of the best flames analysts, point out relevant examples where he's way off base overly harsh etc
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And here I always thought he was one of those guys blogging from his mommys basement in his underwear.
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07-07-2013, 01:15 PM
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#545
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
yeah, because you've never posted in anger have you?
people that look at the film and loves the player get kudos and high fives, people that look at the film and aren't super impressed or think the asset management could have been better spent get jeered.
weird how that works isn't it?
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Weird how what works, exactly?
Who has looked at "the film" and isn't super impressed, who has done that then been jeered by me.
I think you're talking about you backside.
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07-07-2013, 01:31 PM
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#546
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
Wow, in slamming Wilson you've pretty much damned yourself. Guy is one of the best flames analysts, point out relevant examples where he's way off base overly harsh etc
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is that because he is one one of the few almost as negative as you?
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07-07-2013, 01:48 PM
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#547
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Bla Bla - Emile Poirier please.
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07-07-2013, 02:05 PM
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#548
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Self-ban
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I'd rather read Kent Wilson than most of the posters in this thread.
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07-07-2013, 02:33 PM
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#549
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyC
The quote flat out admits to never seeing him play OR even read a scouting report....
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yeah, but he also admits that he could be flat out wrong, and that there could be more to his game.
the reason that he questions the pick is the reason many people loved the Kanzig pick: you can't teach size. Breen falling through 7 rounds of the draft without getting picked was the reason Wilson put up a red flag in the first place.
Again, its great that he is a regular AHL'er, that we got for nothing. But I don't cheer for the Heat; I cheer for the Calgary Flames.
Until he suits up in the NHL, the jury is out.
its a simple metric, and I don't understand why people get their hackles up about it? You draft to get NHL players, not AHL players...
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07-07-2013, 02:36 PM
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#550
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Weird how what works, exactly?
Who has looked at "the film" and isn't super impressed, who has done that then been jeered by me.
I think you're talking about you backside.
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Since there is no ignore button on this site, why don't we simply agree to disagree?
I won't respond to any of your posts; you don't respond to mine.
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07-07-2013, 02:41 PM
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#551
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
Since there is no ignore button on this site, why don't we simply agree to disagree?
I won't respond to any of your posts; you don't respond to mine.
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Click on username - view public profile
Click on user lists - add to ignore list
Maybe this thread can get back on topic.
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07-07-2013, 02:43 PM
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#552
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
Since there is no ignore button on this site, why don't we simply agree to disagree?
I won't respond to any of your posts; you don't respond to mine.
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You made a claim about me, I'm asking you to back it up. If you can't and where just yammering on then fine, just admit it.
Though I guess your suggestion is easier for you.
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07-07-2013, 03:18 PM
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#553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
You made a claim about me, I'm asking you to back it up. If you can't and where just yammering on then fine, just admit it.
Though I guess your suggestion is easier for you.
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Enough already! Grow up.
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07-07-2013, 06:26 PM
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#554
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
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And here I thought there was new info on Poirier...
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07-07-2013, 06:31 PM
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#555
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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ya, me too....so much for being an interesting discussion.
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07-07-2013, 06:35 PM
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#556
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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If its not about poirier, take it to pm
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07-08-2013, 10:06 AM
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#557
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Maybe it's been covered already.., but where will he be playing next year? I sorta hope we see him and our other first rounders at least in some exhibition games.
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07-08-2013, 10:08 AM
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#558
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I like that his dad said that he was just happy his son was taken by a Canadian team.
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07-08-2013, 10:16 AM
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#559
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupid
Maybe it's been covered already.., but where will he be playing next year? I sorta hope we see him and our other first rounders at least in some exhibition games.
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If he has a good camp, he'll probably get into an exhibition game or two, but he's almost certainly going back to junior.
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07-11-2013, 12:56 AM
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#560
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Chair
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I wrote an article for the forecaster a few years back that looked at this exact situation. I analyzed draft picks that fall compared to Central Scouting views going into a draft, while I also looked at players that were taken ahead of their expected place.
The brunt of the article wasn't on players though, it was on organizations and their habits.
The Oilers were big culprits in that time frame for taking players that were sliding (Henrich, Riesen, Rita), while the Devils I think were the poster boys for going off teh board.
The teams with conviction far outweighed the falling star teams in their overall success ratio.
If you hire idiots then conviction is scary, you can't avoid that.
But if you believe the Flames have a new direction under Weisbrod then you're glad they have conviction.
Bottomline though ... it's always fair to compare the next three players taken after a draft pick. Further than that is unfair.
Hopefully it goes their way.
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Sounds interesting...I'd love to see the article. Where specifically can we find it?
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