"Earth-Like" Planet Discovered

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

True, that was an oversight. I still maintain my opinion that Raptors would have been the primary species now adays if the extinction didnt happen, sure T-Rexs were bigger but Raptors were smarter and had "families" which are more "human" characteristics among the other animals. Cavemen wouldnt have stood a chance against Raptors.

Cavemen didn't really stand a chance against mamoths, sabre tooths, lions, wolves hell almost anything. Our brains, clubs and spears and grouping together would have seen us through. Perhaps our ancient ancestors were able to answer our thread we had here as to which is easier to beat in a fight. Shark, elephant, lion or a polar bear!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by troutman

As for Flaming Homer's scenario, mankind has demonstrated no qualms in the past about exterminating more "primitive" peoples. It's unlikely too that alien life will have a human form.

They might not be exactly like human form, but they would very likely have similarities. Similar symmetry, sensory organs, appendages. Of course, we are talking about highly evolved alien life forms.

If an alien civilization was ever found, I have my doubts that the information would ever be made public.

[red '00]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Depends which kind of Raptor were talking about the one you bring up (Microraptors found in China) are a smaller breed like a Chiuwawa in the Dog family were as Dromaeosaurus' (found right here in Alberta) were slightly lager than wolves and vicious predators that were extremely light on their feet and like said before were highly aggresive. Then there is the one that every knows of most from Jurrasic Park the Velociraptor which hunted in packs and used highly strategic hunting methods, they were also one of the larger raptors but also the quickest and one of the most powerful.

I don't claim to be an expert but if you were to put up a caveman against even the microraptor I'd still go with the microraptor....

I don't know. I saw this thing on the Discovery Channel recently that said Velociraptors (or however it's spelt) were the ones the size of turkies and had feathers, and that unlike in the movies their foot claws couldn't rip you apart but were actually used to pierce their enemies windpipes while they tried to kill them (that part is sorta a pointless fact, but I thought I'd add it anyways). Though the other ones, micro or whatever, may have been like that as well.

I'm not expert either.

But although I admit they were all smart, and dangerous, I think if I was faced with two or three turkey sized *******s I could kill 'em with a baseball bat or club.

[CaptainCrunch]

huzzah, mass probings for everyone

[red '00]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

huzzah, mass probings for everyone

How is it possible you can make some of the best pre/post game threads ever on GSG and than make posts like that over here?

[CaptainCrunch]

what? you don't like it?

[red '00]

Just curious.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

True, that was an oversight. I still maintain my opinion that Raptors would have been the primary species now adays if the extinction didnt happen, sure T-Rexs were bigger but Raptors were smarter and had "families" which are more "human" characteristics among the other animals. Cavemen wouldnt have stood a chance against Raptors.

I don't claim to be an expert but if you were to put up a caveman against even the microraptor I'd still go with the microraptor....

That's silly. Cavemen can climb trees, climb mountains, use fire, use weapons, use tools...organize themselves into groups, and they are warm-blooded. Aside from that last fact, intelligence wins in the long run because you can adapt immediately to a situation without having to wait for evolution (which means it's probably already too late for you and some mutant guy is going to get the girls and the offspring).

Velociraptors are just overhyped by Jurassic Park. Like the other poster said, there's enough evidence of organized human surviving and hunting of other ice age beasts that were equally, if not more formidable. Of course if you put a single caveman without tools and without other cavemen against a Raptor, the Raptor would win. By that logic, wild dogs and wolves would've eaten the entire human race by now. You are removing everything that makes humans and hominids what they are since we're not designed for fighting or hunting with our bare hands, teeth, and nails. It's silly logic. If we put Flaming Homer with nothing but his bare hands against a Mountain Lion from Banff...or even a vicious Pit Bull? Who would win? Does that mean the entire human race would have gone extinct?

And human beings would've probably lived mainly on plains, or glacier rock areas with caves, in open areas where raptors can't ambush you like in the deep jungle of Jurassic Park - where the ambushing Raptors are about as smart as a slasher coming out from the side of the screen in a horror movie.

And if people really go off on a spaceship and encounter a planet with such creatures, the space-ship would likely be full of scientists who would never condone harming or interferring with indiginous species (they've probably all watched Star Trek). If this were a movie though, the space ship would be Captain by Vin Diesel and a crew of Prison-Escapee Rednecks who would go and kill everything in self-defense because it'll turn into a Alien or Predator movie.

[HOZ]

Sign the declarartion of war! Invasion begins immediately. Our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren will rule!

That is if they survive the trip! So far we can't even make it to Mars without dying.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Sign the declarartion of war! Invasion begins immediately. Our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren will rule!

That is if they survive the trip! So far we can't even make it to Mars without dying.

What if it turns out to be a giant ice planet of death robots that come looking back for us.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

What if Jesus (if he existed) was an Alien!?!?!?!?!

Read "Chariots of the Gods" by Erich von Daniken.

He thinks exactly like this. As do I.

And if astronauts could travel 28,000 light years in three years, by the time they got back in six years, millions (I don't know, some unbelievable length of time) of years would have passed on Earth.

If you know nothing of Einsteinian and Lorentzian Relativity, google "twin paradox", and you will come to an understanding that space travel in anything but a nomadic existance is not feasible.

As for this planet, five times the mass of the earth is still pretty earth like. Mars is only 1/10th the mass of earth and it is pretty earth like. And 2.5 AU could very well be in the habitable zone of a certain star, most likely a F spectral type star with a temperature around 7-8000K. Unfortunately this is not the case here. A red dwarf is not going to have life at 2.5AU. The flux of a red dwarf at 2.5AU is absolutely miniscule.

Exciting stuff though, especially to find a terrestrial planet at a terrestrial radius. Now if only it was around an F star instead of an M star. Then we'd be talking about possible life.

This isn't really my favourite part of astronomy, but it is still kind of interesting. It is quite mainstream and understandable, and thus very interesting to the public.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by evman150

Read "Chariots of the Gods" by Erich von Daniken.

He thinks exactly like this. As do I.

And if astronauts could travel 28,000 light years in three years, by the time they got back in six years, millions (I don't know, some unbelievable length of time) of years would have passed on Earth.

If you know nothing of Einsteinian and Lorentzian Relativity, google "twin paradox", and you will come to an understanding that space travel in anything but a nomadic existance is not feasible.

Yes, in any case, anybody who ventures to such a place would never be able to return to Earth, or at least the one that they knew. If you go that fast, time on Earth will zoom by while it's nothing to you. If you go slow, you'll die before you make it (therefore the nomadic expedition) or else you go into hibernation in which you get the same result as the former...and also aliens harvesting you while you sleep.

By the time you get to your destination, it will already be inhabited because technology has advanced 6 million years on earth and more advanced people have actually gotten there first so your entire life was a wasted effort .

[HOZ]

The dangers of space isn't about time. We can hardly stay in space for 3 weeks withotu very harmful effects on our bodies. Right now, the "hump" to traveling to Mars is not speed or distance...

It is the deterioration of our bodies (bones in particular) that happens in weightlessness. Astronauts in top, top condition can bearly stay up in space for year. Upon return to earth they are incredibly weak and need therapy to rebuild their bodies. A 3-6 year mission is a death sentence.

Once we get over that hump we can deal with the radiation and so forth.

[Shazam]

Raptors wouldn't stand a chance against Homo Sapien Sapiens. Humans kill not just for food, but also for fun and protection. Nothing like a bunch of ****ed off humans chasing after Raptors for revenge. And Raptors still had very, very small brains. They simply weren't that intelligent.

Ever seen a Clovis point? Man pretty well decimated every large species in North America with those things. They'd penetrate Mammoth hide with them. NOVA had a nice special about them.

And of course, humans can live in areas Reptiles can't. Like here in Canada. I'd like to see a cold-blooded Raptor chase a gang of Humans in -40C weather. (And yes, I'm familiar with the whole Dinosaurs-were-warm-blooded theory).

As for life itself, there are questions as to whether or not we'd even recognize other forms of life that are extra-terrestrial.

Intelligent life on this planet is a major fluke. The only reason Humans even had a chance of evolving is because the Earth's crust is so thin that we have plate tectonics (most of the Earth's crust is in the form of the Moon). Without that, all of the land on this planet would have eroded billions of years ago due to water.

There are probably lots of water planets out there, with lots of dolphin and whale-like species. Nothing like Humans.

[MassFlames]

this explains the otherworldly powers that our mr. phaneuf posesses. hail to you, The Dion: Lord of the Planet Phaneufia!

[red '00]

Hail Hail!

[Neeper]

I seriously hope I am around when this happens. I have dreamt of it ever since I was a kid.

But, you know there's gonna be a war if we find intelligent life. It just the way we are.

[Shazam]

A war? Any intelligent life smart enough to find us will be so far ahead of us in terms of technology (probably millions of years ahead), there would be absolutely nothing we could do to harm them.

Think about it. What do you think the chances are that two civilizations in the universe would start up even 10,000 years apart? How about 100 years apart?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

The dangers of space isn't about time. We can hardly stay in space for 3 weeks withotu very harmful effects on our bodies. Right now, the "hump" to traveling to Mars is not speed or distance...

It is the deterioration of our bodies (bones in particular) that happens in weightlessness. Astronauts in top, top condition can bearly stay up in space for year. Upon return to earth they are incredibly weak and need therapy to rebuild their bodies. A 3-6 year mission is a death sentence.

Once we get over that hump we can deal with the radiation and so forth.

Can't we just induce artificial gravity, or even stronger than artificial gravity by making part of the ship spin around it's axis to combat atrophe and other obvious problems?

[Vulcan]

Well H&L, we could but Spocks family owns the patent and they only accept dylthyum crystals for payment. We can't get any until we perfect interstellar travel , so it's a Catch 22 situation.