Joni fricken Ortio

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Let's use this thread to actually discuss the play of Flames stud goalie Joni Ortio.

Posts a shutout in the most important game of his career to date. Played great hockey last year in both the AHL and NHL.

Will he be the 1A goaltender this year?

Edit: I have been censored and I don't appreciate it.. Thread title was Joni fricken Oreo and it shouldn't be changed because one poster is offended by it.

Edit 2: Fair enough!

MOD EDIT: The reason it was changed was because the entire previous thread was derailed by talk about cookies. We don't want it happening again and it's not because a poster was offended.

[FBI]

Hah! Was going to post the exact same thread title (with quotes around the fricken)

[Finger Cookin]

I think getting super stoked about a preseason shutout is a little premature. As eager as we all are for hockey again.

[Benched]

He needed it.

He was going to be the odd man out if he didn't show his stuff.

They set him up to fail/really prove himself. Dressed a AHL defense, going against Duchene and MacKinnon. I thought they were really hanging him out to dry so that when he got pumped they could say 'hes not that good' and set him up for a waiver move.

Instead he shuts the door, gets noticed. Regardless of who ends up staying, you can't waiver this kid.

[Huntingwhale]

I'll just post what I did in the last thread. Yes I do believe Ortio to be a legit #1 down the road. Maybe not this season or next, but Finnish goalies are often late bloomers and really come to their own in their late 20s (Kipper, Rinne to name a few). The fact that he comes from Turku and trained with Kipper is enough to convince me. We are almost set up front. Our D is elite. One of the last pieces is a top goaltender who can steal us games when needed and give us a chance to win every night. At some point, I think we have 2 goaltenders like that in Ortio and Gillies.

This article has been posted before, but I'll post it again in case anybody is in doubt of how a Finnish goaltender comes to fruition. Some great quotes by Ortio in that article as well.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...s-here/357579/

Never ever doubt a Finnish goalie. I would be perfectly content going with 2 Finnish goalies this season and Hiller being the odd man out. And I am a huge Hiller fan.

[tvp2003]

The talk legitimately becomes "who gives us the best chance to win". Which is awesome. We know what we'll get with Hiller -- same with Ramo. The book on Ortio is starting to be written and the first chapter looks pretty darn good.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Let's use this thread to actually discuss the play of Flames stud goalie Joni Ortio.

Posts a shutout in the most important game of his career to date. Played great hockey last year in both the AHL and NHL.

Will he be the 1A goaltender this year?

While important - I kind of think the regular season games he played last season, especially against the Canucks, were much more important game than a preseason game.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I think getting super stoked about a preseason shutout is a little premature. As eager as we all are for hockey again.

I agree that a pre-season game shouldn't be the determiner, but I've been super stoked on him for some time now. It appears that his NHL time has arrived so that's why it's time for an Ortio thread in the main boards. After this game I don't see him getting sent through waivers. I mean Colorado paid a 2nd for Berra and they just got shutout by Ortio.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

While important - I kind of think the regular season games he played last season, especially against the Canucks, were much more important game than a preseason game.

I consider this last game the most important for his career because he's openly battling 2 other goalies at this moment. He played lights out in his NHL games but still went back to the AHL due to a numbers game.

That's not the case right now.

[FBI]

Those games were definitely more important to the team. But this one might have been just as important for his future with the flames.

[Erick Estrada]

I think the kid has potential and time will tell if he is the real deal or not. Maybe signing Ramo will be the kick in the pants for Ortio to prove his worth. I just don't see the trade market for Ramo with that contract and I think it would be a mistake to go with a Ramo/Ortio tandem as Ramo is way too spastic and unpredictable for my tastes.

[driveway]

To reiterate what I said in the last thread: There is no chance at all the team decides to waive Ortio. He's got way more upside than either Ramo or Hiller. Hiller will likely be the one move as from everything I've read Hartley prefers Ramo, though I'm not sure why.

Not a chance in heck Ortio hits waivers.

[Strange Brew]

I was fairly certain two weeks ago that Ortio would be waived and start the season in Stockton. Another game like the Colorado shutout and it becomes less likely he goes unclaimed. Fantastic example of a player forcing the teams hand.

[Coach]

My favorite trait of Ortio's is his confidence. You hear the other players and coaches talking about how sure he is of his abilities and how it gives the rest of the team strength. If you listen to his interviews he is very well spoken (hardly an accent at all either) and speaks about his belief in himself and how he enjoys the challenge of the NHL.

Him and Gillies going forward could be pretty delightful.

I think both Hiller and Ramo are very tradeable this season and would expect one them to be rather soon.

[Saqe]

The void of not having a goalie from my hometown playing for this team made me sink into a black hole for a while after Kipper left. But now the balance has been restored to the world and I may live happy once again.

[Poe969]

Hiller is a really good goalie and I think he'll have more trade value. It isn't that he should be moved because he isn't good but because we need to give Ortio a chance and it'll clear up cap space (depending on the return). I'm willing to bet that it's Hiller who's moved and Ortio becomes the starter by Christmas.

[Bingo]

I think the Flames as they stand have to still think build, and not now but it's ironic that Ortio could be the answer to both.

The Flames had middling goaltending last year. Not the weakness of the team, but certainly not the reason they made it to the playoffs and some media suggested without actually looking at the numbers.

Ortio has the best chance of the three to be a core player in 2 years.

And given the fact that we know what Ramo and Hiller as a tandem are (average), the best chance to get the lightning in a bottle for this season is Ortio pushing the Flames to say the 11th best goaltending and fortifying the position.

His unknown upside is a real intriguing factor in his favour.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The void of not having a goalie from my hometown playing for this team made me sink into a black hole for a while after Kipper left. But now the balance has been restored to the world and I may live happy once again.

Turku GoalieBot 2.0!

Channel your inner Kipper.

[FBI]

Assuming Ortio is ready enough this year:
Advantages for Ortio winning a spot and moving Hiller:
- cap savings
- younger
- more potential
- thinking long term instead of short term
- getting something back for Hiller

Disadvantages:
- possibly losing more games than Hiller this year

[Fire]

Right now I would send down Ramo to Stockton and keep Hiller and Ortio. I think you want Hiller's experience to counter Ortio's inexperience. I would not risk sending Ortio down to the AHL. If I was the Oilers I would be grabbing him and sending Scrivens down to the AHL.