Official (Alberta) Oil Discussion Thread

[Looch City]

Add American actors to that list too.

[Azure]

I wouldn't be surprised. Fracking should be a bigger deal in the US, but for some reason it gets ignored. They very easily pile on Alberta though.

But I think its our fault. The Harper government did a pretty crap job of getting our oil to overseas markets. How many years do you sit and wait for Obama to approve a pipeline even though every political wind is telling you he won't?

Energy East should have been started 15 years ago, not now after we are royally screwed and have lost billions in revenue.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Myth or truth?

Anybody else think american oil companies might be funding environmental groups to act out against canadian oil sands? It kind of doesn't make sense when alberta oil sands are responsible for 0.15% of the worlds carbon emmissions and the placerita oil fields in california alone have twice the carbon footprint?

Environental groups are concerned about Canada producing 2% of the worlds carbon but the u.s. is responsible for 17% and china 24%. Weird.

Have the people of Canada researched the real criminals of the environment or are they just going by word of mouth? Do they know something the rest of us don't.

I find it strange that environmentalists are very concerned about the around 5,000 annual bird deaths in tailing ponds but have little to say about the 23,000 that die in canada annually from wind turbines. Then there's also solar that causes bird deaths. Oil prices are low which increases air travel which I would also assume increases bird deaths but no word on that.

To me something doesn't add up here and am hoping someone has some insight.

It's all a bit frustrating because environmentalism is suppose to be synonymous with protection for the planet but to me it looks like they just want changes that affect everybody but themselves.

Still rumor, but I've been told by insides Coal lobby groups have funded against oil sands and fracking

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Still rumor, but I've been told by insides Coal lobby groups have funded against oil sands and fracking

There's no real reason why coal would care about the oil sands (and oil in general) as they don't really compete. Natural gas on the other hand, has been inflicting serious damage to coal for the electricity generation market.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Myth or truth?

Anybody else think american oil companies might be funding environmental groups to act out against canadian oil sands? It kind of doesn't make sense when alberta oil sands are responsible for 0.15% of the worlds carbon emmissions and the placerita oil fields in california alone have twice the carbon footprint?

Environental groups are concerned about Canada producing 2% of the worlds carbon but the u.s. is responsible for 17% and china 24%. Weird.

Have the people of Canada researched the real criminals of the environment or are they just going by word of mouth? Do they know something the rest of us don't.

I find it strange that environmentalists are very concerned about the around 5,000 annual bird deaths in tailing ponds but have little to say about the 23,000 that die in canada annually from wind turbines. Then there's also solar that causes bird deaths. Oil prices are low which increases air travel which I would also assume increases bird deaths but no word on that.

To me something doesn't add up here and am hoping someone has some insight.

It's all a bit frustrating because environmentalism is suppose to be synonymous with protection for the planet but to me it looks like they just want changes that affect everybody but themselves.

I'd also like to add that environmentalists have big protests on pipelines in Canada but nothing to say about pipelines internationally or the thousands and thousands of kilometers of pipelines that criss cross the united states.

There's a lot of protest against outbound tanker traffic off of Canada's coasts but nobody protests the inbound tanker traffic off of Canada's coast. Tanker traffic that comes from Saudi Arabia and other countries with poor environmental standards and little human rights.

World oil demand keeps increasing and the world will get it's oil from somewhere. If it's not from a country like ours with environmental standards then it will be from a country without standards.

It's ironic that environmental groups are suppose to be helping the world but when you dig down a little deeper, are actually hurting it.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

I'd also like to add that environmentalists have big protests on pipelines in Canada but nothing to say about pipelines internationally or the thousands and thousands of kilometers of pipelines that criss cross the united states.

There's a lot of protest against outbound tanker traffic off of Canada's coasts but nobody protests the inbound tanker traffic off of Canada's coast. Tanker traffic that comes from Saudi Arabia and other countries with poor environmental standards and little human rights.

World oil demand keeps increasing and the world will get it's oil from somewhere. If it's not from a country like ours with environmental standards then it will be from a country without standards.

It's ironic that environmental groups are suppose to be helping the world but when you dig down a little deeper, are actually hurting it.

So, this topic really interests me- do you have a source on the bolded? I was about to point out keystone as a counterpoint and an example of Americans protesting pipelines in the states, but for obvious reasons (Canadian oil), lets leave that one out of this discussion

[Nufy]

Environmental activism (word ?) has become a career path imo...

Canada just seems to be the easiest place to ply your trade these days.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

So, this topic really interests me- do you have a source on the bolded? I was about to point out keystone as a counterpoint and an example of Americans protesting pipelines in the states, but for obvious reasons (Canadian oil), lets leave that one out of this discussion

Here's a better one:

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...-north-america

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Yes - that is a pipeline map and shows a great deal of pipelines in the states, it doesn't show that environmentalists don't protest American pipelines.

[GP_Matt]

I think Canada might just be more receptive to protesters.
I spoke to a few guys in charge of building LRT lines in both Canada and the US. The Canadian side had protests at every line while the American said he hadn't experienced these protests until he started working in Canada.

Is it possible that listening to them causes them to shout louder?

[Locke]

Well given Eastern Canada's love of our environment I think I'm going to have to start protesting the mining of Nickel and Copper. I think Alberta needs to import all of our base materials from Asia and have it transported by rail through BC.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Yes - that is a pipeline map and shows a great deal of pipelines in the states, it doesn't show that environmentalists don't protest American pipelines.

It's impossible to measure or count the number of protests across the u.s. Do you have anything that says there's more protests in the u.s. than in Canada over pipelines? If so, then why does Leonardo de Caprio have to come up here to protest when he can stay in his own backyard? Probably because it doesn't get the traction that it does up here.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

It's impossible to measure or count the number of protests across the u.s. Do you have anything that says there's more protests in the u.s. than in Canada over pipelines? If so, then why does Leonardo de Caprio have to come up here to protest when he can stay in his own backyard? Probably because it doesn't get the traction that it does up here.

I don't have anything, but I didn't make the accusation that environmentalists only protest our new pipelines - you did.

My guess is, Leo attacked us because he was working up here and mistook Chinooks for global warming. A dumb movie-star isn't the evidence I was hoping you would provide to support your claim.

I am not disagreeing with you, I am only asking if you have anything to back up your claim which you seem to state as fact as many people state similar claims, without any proof.

Edit: I also apologize - as my intent wasn't to call you out - I for some reason read your OP I originally quoted as you had seen something somewhere to support the fact that environmentalists are protesting our pipelines more then Americans.

[PsYcNeT]

If you Google "LA Drilling Protests" you can find a lot of articles about the opposition to drilling rigs in the LA area.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I don't have anything, but I didn't make the accusation that environmentalists only protest our new pipelines - you did.

My guess is, Leo attacked us because he was working up here and mistook Chinooks for global warming. A dumb movie-star isn't the evidence I was hoping you would provide to support your claim.

I am not disagreeing with you, I am only asking if you have anything to back up your claim which you seem to state as fact as many people state similar claims, without any proof.

Edit: I also apologize - as my intent wasn't to call you out - I for some reason read your OP I originally quoted as you had seen something somewhere to support the fact that environmentalists are protesting our pipelines more then Americans.

Fair enough. Maybe I was quick to jump the gun on that statement. You hear it so much it becomes a common arguement. Maybe the opposition to u.s. pipelines are as bad as in Canada. I will say one thing, it's a lot tougher to search for american opposition than it is Canadian ones.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Perhaps you hear about the Canadian protests more because you're in Canada?

A guess, that's all.

[prarieboy]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Myth or truth?

Anybody else think american oil companies might be funding environmental groups to act out against canadian oil sands? It kind of doesn't make sense when alberta oil sands are responsible for 0.15% of the worlds carbon emmissions and the placerita oil fields in california alone have twice the carbon footprint?

Environental groups are concerned about Canada producing 2% of the worlds carbon but the u.s. is responsible for 17% and china 24%. Weird.

Have the people of Canada researched the real criminals of the environment or are they just going by word of mouth? Do they know something the rest of us don't.

I find it strange that environmentalists are very concerned about the around 5,000 annual bird deaths in tailing ponds but have little to say about the 23,000 that die in canada annually from wind turbines. Then there's also solar that causes bird deaths. Oil prices are low which increases air travel which I would also assume increases bird deaths but no word on that.

To me something doesn't add up here and am hoping someone has some insight.

It's all a bit frustrating because environmentalism is suppose to be synonymous with protection for the planet but to me it looks like they just want changes that affect everybody but themselves.

Here is an arcticle supporting that very theory. US Foundations anyways.

http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...trade-barrier/

[indes]

My favorite is people who cite the environment for the reason against LNG. You really think supplying Asia with gas to help them move from coal is bad for the environment? I agree with whoever said it's a career decision these days.

[Kavvy]

So WTI spiked post trading, any rational reason?
Currently $49.19

[IliketoPuck]

As good a reason as any:

http://boereport.com/2016/05/24/oil-...een-declining/