PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He called the media rigged and biased during his entire campaign. If he continues to lie they should call him out, even if it something small. If people think it's silly or petty, that's fine.

Exactly. Lots are anxiously waiting to see if Trump somehow after being a terrible human before he ran for President, being a terrible human during the primaries, being a terrible human during the general race, will somehow beyond hope moderate and become a President that the country doesn't have to fear for one reason or another.

Many of the media podcasts I listened to said their job now is to do the job they should always do, hold politicians to account. They believed the risk is to allow the day to day routine of the post election processes to normalize Trump, and that would be a mistake.

If Trump wasn't an apparent pathological liar bent on making every situation look good on him I'd agree he may have just misspoke, but don't blame the villagers when they catch you crying wolf again, even if this one time you actually meant Wolf Blitzer.

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He called the media rigged and biased during his entire campaign.

And much of the media now admits it was true and how much it affected their reporting that they missed the flip of the rust-belt or believed completely that Clinton would win.

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Not being able to predict the future is not bias.

[GirlySports]

Suuuure photon. We see in 4 years.... or even 2 year midterms.

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Suuuure photon. We see in 4 years.... or even 2 year midterms.

Of course, we have no choice now but to wait and see. It would be great for everyone if he somehow suddenly changed and became a great President, or even a tolerable one. I'm not holding my breath though.

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think it is safe to assume that time travel will never exist. Otherwise someone from the future would have prevented this.

Or maybe in the original timeline Ted Cruz beats Hillary and starts a nuclear war so someone goes back in time to get Obama to insult Trump to get him to run and win the republican primary. In that timeline Hillary beats Trump and she states a nuclear war so they go back in time again to elect Teump because him being buddies with Putin prevents Armageddon.

The only rational explanation is someone went back in time to make this happen.

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A little bit of detail on how the government could go about dismantling Dodd-Frank bank regulations.

One possible target of the "dismantle" efforts might be the so-called "Volcker rule," which bars banks from making certain speculative investments that could boost profits, but not benefit their customers. The rule was first proposed by Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman who wanted a firewall between a bank's consumer operations and its risky trading activities.

Another target could be the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a Dodd-Frank creation that imposed new regulations in areas such as mortgage-servicing, foreclosure relief services, debt collection and more.

Republicans might be reluctant to wipe out the agency just months after a scandal at Wells Fargo involving sham customer accounts. But the new Congress is widely expected to change the CFPB's management structure so that instead of having a single, powerful director, it would operate under a slower-moving commission.

Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew, in testimony to Congress in September, defended Dodd-Frank, saying the new rules have improved safety in the financial industry. "It would be a mistake to roll back the clock on these protections," he said.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...nk-regulations

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

Of course, we have no choice now but to wait and see. It would be great for everyone if he somehow suddenly changed and became a great President, or even a tolerable one. I'm not holding my breath though.

I meant the media keeping politicians honest. Suddenly the media is fair? The next democratic nominee will be the great savior and have a blank check.

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He called the media rigged and biased during his entire campaign. If he continues to lie they should call him out, even if it something small. If people think it's silly or petty, that's fine.

No over reaction on everything normalizes outrage. One problem this election was Trumps larger transgressions were lost in his minor ones which allowed the biased media claim to be believed.

This lie should just be a footnote in a trump lies update once a week not a story in itself.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Seems like we're headed to a Dem civil war, which ironically is what we all thought the Republicans were headed for



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...9736x1ofscerk9

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GGG

No over reaction on everything normalizes outrage. One problem this election was Trumps larger transgressions were lost in his minor ones which allowed the biased media claim to be believed.

This lie should just be a footnote in a trump lies update once a week not a story in itself.

Agreed. I posted it because I thought it was silly of him. Not because it's an outrage. Just an interesting tidbit.

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Seems like we're headed to a Dem civil war, which ironically is what we all thought the Republicans were headed for



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...9736x1ofscerk9

Well it's heart warming that facts are held in high regard on the left.

Climate change does not affect the survival of first world citizens let alone take 40 years off his life expectancy.

This reminds me of when the Martin /Chrétien war over the liberals finally ended and the liberals were gutted. Martin after losing to Chrétien controlled every aspect of the party by the time Chrétien retired. It essentially
Cut off the natural renewal to ensure he would become prime minister. Hillary appears to have done the same since losing to Obama.

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I meant the media keeping politicians honest. Suddenly the media is fair? The next democratic nominee will be the great savior and have a blank check.

I think lots of the media is fair, or strives to be (fair is like science, it isn't a state of being but a goal and a method). Calling media unfair or biased is an easy cop out IMO, it's more complicated than that.

It's like when people say global warming is a hoax and say science is deceiving the public. They do that by first reducing "science" to a single entity, when in fact it is millions of individuals. To say science is rigged means a conspiracy among millions.

Same with the media, the media isn't a single entity, it's a vast number. Problems in media may be systemic, but to look most reporters in the eye and say they straight up threw away their journalistic integrity to rig their reporting for or against someone will probably result in a fight.

Cable news can go away though. Or make it the law that pundits are only allowed on 45 minutes a day.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GGG

No over reaction on everything normalizes outrage. One problem this election was Trumps larger transgressions were lost in his minor ones which allowed the biased media claim to be believed.

This lie should just be a footnote in a trump lies update once a week not a story in itself.

Trump is a sociopath.

A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. A sociopath is often goal-oriented

and judging from this incident, he's also a compulsive liar.

A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small.

https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/...-of-liars.html

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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Agreed. I posted it because I thought it was silly of him. Not because it's an outrage. Just an interesting tidbit.

It's interesting how our thread reacts as well any criticism is a gross over reaction or gross outrage. Since the election I have been thinking on how to have good discourse with people who disagree. I haven't come up with any good solutions.

I will say that in general Girlysports has a good way of challenging and questioning views that leads to positive discussion.

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Originally Posted by Delgar

I see it as promise high to get votes. He knows much of this will never fly. Look at what Obama promised and what actually happened.

But there will be a tax cut, just not so large. He's going after too much regulation which is good but a 2 for 1 trade will never work. Term limits are awesome, but will never pass. A hiring freeze will never work but the government will grow at a smaller rate. Banning white house officials from lobbying for foreign governments is a great idea. Renegotiating NAFTA, well sucks for us but he's only asking not imposing, at least for now. TPP is flawed but who knows. Keystone goes forward, great.

There is a lot here to agree with even if you are moderate IMHO.

ignoring the elephant in the room though. how long before "on second thought, let's not build a wall. 'Tis a silly idea"

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Jeez Brazile needs to go away too.

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Originally Posted by photon

A little bit of detail on how the government could go about dismantling Dodd-Frank bank regulations.

One possible target of the "dismantle" efforts might be the so-called "Volcker rule," which bars banks from making certain speculative investments that could boost profits, but not benefit their customers. The rule was first proposed by Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman who wanted a firewall between a bank's consumer operations and its risky trading activities.

Another target could be the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a Dodd-Frank creation that imposed new regulations in areas such as mortgage-servicing, foreclosure relief services, debt collection and more.

Republicans might be reluctant to wipe out the agency just months after a scandal at Wells Fargo involving sham customer accounts. But the new Congress is widely expected to change the CFPB's management structure so that instead of having a single, powerful director, it would operate under a slower-moving commission.

Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew, in testimony to Congress in September, defended Dodd-Frank, saying the new rules have improved safety in the financial industry. "It would be a mistake to roll back the clock on these protections," he said.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...nk-regulations

It's pretty funny seeing stocks like Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, etc. go up massively since Trump got elected given how some of his support was fueled by frustration towards Wall Street and big banks.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Seems like we're headed to a Dem civil war, which ironically is what we all thought the Republicans were headed for



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...9736x1ofscerk9

Someone in our political discussions (Maybe Peter12? Since he's not around to defend or take credit I'll apply it to him) argued that the Republicans would come out of this election further ahead long-term. The basis of that argument was that Trump would ensure the Republicans would end up with their own civil war and come out ahead with the needed change; while the Democrats would be prevented from changing by their own success.

I was skeptical of that argument, but it could apply to the Democrats now: with little to hold onto, they could take this opportunity to make fundamental changes to their party, and position themselves as a legitimate part of change. Or they could just stay the course and miss out on the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by octothorp

Someone in our political discussions (Maybe Peter12? Since he's not around to defend or take credit I'll apply it to him) argued that the Republicans would come out of this election further ahead long-term. The basis of that argument was that Trump would ensure the Republicans would end up with their own civil war and come out ahead with the needed change; while the Democrats would be prevented from changing by their own success.

I was skeptical of that argument, but it could apply to the Democrats now: with little to hold onto, they could take this opportunity to make fundamental changes to their party, and position themselves as a legitimate part of change. Or they could just stay the course and miss out on the opportunity.

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Yeah that was the theory. They were going to tear each other apart and would have to rebuild from the ground up. That prediction, like every other one, was just a little off.

Now they think (they know) that a vulgar bull#### artist is the way to win the White House. I don't know how they're going to top this one though. Someone's really going to have to come forward in the next 2.5 years, because they'll need a new candidate. Is Kid Rock electable?