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Old 01-16-2017, 11:21 AM   #5321
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I don't think he's clever enough to play the blackmail game. He's just a narcissist who think he's on the same level as Putin. Putin's probably just laughing his ass off right now.
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Anti-Trump activists plotting to set off stink bombs, sprinklers at inaugural fetes

Project Veritas investigation comes as #DisruptJ20 plans to wreck havoc at inauguration

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=socialnetwork
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Vicky ☆F❤R☆ Trump ‏@VickyBrush Jan 13 Good luck #DisruptJ20! You'll b met w/#BIKERSFORTRUMP! - Audio of protest group's plans 2 disrupt Trump inauguration

Pro-Trump Bikers Plan to Form a ‘Wall’ Against Violent Protesters at Inauguration

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-inauguration/

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With respect to the bolded, Garry Kasparov's twitter is a gem in deconstructing authoritarian tendencies.
Absolutely, he's fantastic. Not just his twitter, he's had numerous appearances on TV lately and has done a few great podcasts. You just have to get over his constant "you know"s and the tendency to fast-talk that one assumes is the result of playing speed chess his whole life.

I get the sense he's going to be an incredibly important voice over the next couple of years (assuming he doesn't die under mysterious circumstances, that is). Here he is testifying before a Parliament committee last month.

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Vicky ☆F❤R☆ Trump ‏@VickyBrush Jan 13 Good luck #DisruptJ20! You'll b met w/#BIKERSFORTRUMP! - Audio of protest group's plans 2 disrupt Trump inauguration

Pro-Trump Bikers Plan to Form a ‘Wall’ Against Violent Protesters at Inauguration

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-inauguration/
Putin has a bike gang. Makes sense that Trump would want one too.
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I know few people seriously believe that Trump is anything more than at best a patsy of Russia and at worse a willing agent. But suspending those well-founded beliefs for a moment: if you assumed that Trump actually wanted to negotiate on behalf of the US with Russia, you'd then conclude that he is the worst negotiator that the world of international diplomacy has ever seen. He's basically expressed a willingness to give Russia everything that Russia wants before the negotiation, while not actually asking for anything that benefits the US or forces Russia to sacrifice. A weakened NATO, end of sanctions for the Crimean actions, reversal back of Obama's diplomat ban, all of these things have been largely offered to Russia, with nothing asked for in return except for the vague suggestion of a 'nuclear deal'. And honestly it's hard to see how a nuclear deal benefits the US, nor how it forces a sacrifice on the part of Russia. Russia, being geographically close to its enemies, probably benefits more from a nuclear-arms-free world (or even Europe) than America does, as America needs the threat of long-range annihilation. Russia just rolls the tanks into neighbouring countries overnight.

Compare that with Reagan and Gorbachev leading up the the Reykjavik Summit in the 80s. Reagan sought to include numerous human rights issues in the discussion, he sought to protect the US ambition of strategic defense (star wars) programs. Gorbachev wanted an elimination of ballistic missiles, an end to the SDI, and reduction in the overall number of warheads. There was a framework of what each side wanted, but not what each side was willing to offer. That was what negotiation was for; and nothing concrete came out of that summit, but it paved the path for future agreements.

Right now we have a whole heap of things that Trump is willing to offer, but not what Trump actually wants as it benefits the US, and neither what Putin wants nor what he offers. Russia's current human-rights abuses aren't being brought up, there's no American strategic advantage that Trump is trying to protect. There's no talk about forcing Russia to return the Crimean or to make hard limits on future Russian encroachments into other countries.
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I'm thinking we should probably have an impeachment pool.
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I'm thinking we should probably have an impeachment pool.
I'll take the NEVER option because I can see him being in office for the duration of this term.
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I'm thinking we should probably have an impeachment pool.
Really, it should be both when his term ends, and how. Plausible options are:
Impeached
Natural end of term (doesn't run again)
Natural end of term (is defeated)
Two terms
Two terms, overthrown in a coup after failing to cede power
Assassinated
Dies of natural causes
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Rage-quits sometime before the end of the first term
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dies in nuclear annihilation at the same time as the rest of us
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Maybe it's me, but I'm gonna side with the guy who actually spent time with MLK and not one of the worst actors of all-time.

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Rob Schneider stars in "Civil Rights Leader, Shmivel Rights Leader"
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Morons discussing civil rights history.

'Letter from a Birmingham Jail' is a testament to MLK's 'anger' and 'hurt'.

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You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.

One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in Birmingham is untimely. Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new Birmingham administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."

We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "######," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up that state's segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout Alabama all sorts of devious methods are used to prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties in which, even though Negroes constitute a majority of the population, not a single Negro is registered. Can any law enacted under such circumstances be considered democratically structured?

Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.

We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

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Bruce Springsteen tribute band is pulling out of the inauguration gig.
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Bruce Springsteen tribute band is pulling out of the inauguration gig.
I wonder if there's a tribute band for that tribute band?

'The P Street Band'


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Bruce Springsteen tribute band is pulling out of the inauguration gig.
Feel kind of bad for those guys. Big names can afford to take a stand, but these guys aren't exactly rollin' in it.
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I wonder if there's a tribute band for that tribute band?

'The P Street Band'


Nice one! Are you a writer for SNL by chance?
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