PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Ducay]

His answer was basically to say Israel is being treated very unfairly at the UN compared to a lot of other member countries that are doing a lot worse things.

We can all agree it was a non-response, but he does have a point. (looks at Saudi delegation)

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I think Trump is a dumb person, but I'm fascinated that many people don't understand he won't have cart blanche to do whatever he likes, due to congress, senate and the judiciary. Can he do do age to the country's? Absolutely. But I think there's also a chance he's just a baboon for 4 years and the country isn't fundamentally altered....

And all 3 are Republican controlled. That's the concern, that the checks part of checks and balances won't exist.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I think Trump is a dumb person, but I'm fascinated that many people don't understand he won't have cart blanche to do whatever he likes, due to congress, senate and the judiciary. Many elected republicans disagree with him on many subjects. Can he do damage to the country? Absolutely. But I think there's also a chance he's just a bafoon for 4 years and the country isn't fundamentally altered....

Originally Posted by ResAlien

And all 3 are Republican controlled. That's the concern, that the checks part of checks and balances won't exist.

Plus, as expected, his policies have already moved to the centre from where he started. Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest and most successful people on the planet and soon to be leader of the free world. Take a retrospective on most "dumb" things he has said or done to date, and you'll note it was generally all well calculated and let to his ultimate success with the American public. He has huge support for his mandate.

Repubs control all the levels because the American people voted that they want them to have control. This isn't some scheme against the Dems, they had their chance, and the American public did not care for what they were currently selling.

He won't be a liability to the country because he is president for one reason, to cement his legacy of success. He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Plus, as expected, his policies have already moved to the centre from where he started. Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest and most successful people on the planet and soon to be leader of the free world. Take a retrospective on most "dumb" things he has said or done to date, and you'll note it was generally all well calculated and let to his ultimate success with the American public. He has huge support for his mandate.

Repubs control all the levels because the American people voted that they want them to have control. This isn't some scheme against the Dems, they had their chance, and the American public did not care for what they were currently selling.

He won't be a liability to the country because he is president for one reason, to cement his legacy of success. He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

Ok I'll rephrase, his public persona, seems like a bafoon sometimes. I agree that his business life persona, could be much different.

Again, I'll reiterate, republicans don't agree with everything he says. People are crazy if they think all republicans will rubber stamp whatever he says. Case in point - Russia.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Ok I'll rephrase, his public persona, seems like a bafoon sometimes. I agree that his business life persona, could be much different.

Again, I'll reiterate, republicans don't agree with everything he says. People are crazy if they think all republicans will rubber stamp whatever he says. Case in point - Russia.

I agree with your points. His public statements and "bafoonary" appear to be well calculated and (as proven) have been quite successful with selling his policies to the base and what they want to hear.
There are a number of assessments of his campaign and, looking back, he was laying the ground work for certain "moves" months ago through a certain statement or tweet. Many of his supporters see him as playing 4D Chess, while Hillary was playing checkers.

Reminds me of a good comic I saw from last year that comes up occasionally.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest people on the planet

That's quite the claim you've made there. I feel you may need to back that up.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Plus, as expected, his policies have already moved to the centre from where he started. Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest and most successful people on the planet and soon to be leader of the free world. Take a retrospective on most "dumb" things he has said or done to date, and you'll note it was generally all well calculated and let to his ultimate success with the American public. He has huge support for his mandate.

Repubs control all the levels because the American people voted that they want them to have control. This isn't some scheme against the Dems, they had their chance, and the American public did not care for what they were currently selling.

He won't be a liability to the country because he is president for one reason, to cement his legacy of success. He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

On what grounds has he been successful at business?
On what grounds has he been smart.

I think he is a Sevant Con Man which is a significant and impressive skill. However the ability to understand and con the public is a lot different than intelligence.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean Trump cares about his legacy sure....but reminder, he's arguably one of the largest egomaniacs ever. He surrounds himself with sycophants for this very reason. So even if the majority of the public thinks very little of him and that he's mostly a joke (sure enough, they do), he won't ever believe it. Everyone around him is telling him how great he is. To him that's his "legacy", not what the general public thinks. Because's he's pretty much never been well thought of by the general public.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Ducay

He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

I don't know about that. The whole "grab them by the #####" doesn't really scream "I want to be loved".

It's much more of a "I don't care what people think of me and I'll do whatever I want because I'm rich" attitude. Now generally, that might be an admirable trait — going your own way and all that — but when you are talking about sexually assaulting people, not so much.

Of course since he's one of the "smartest and most successful people in the world", the words that were recorded coming out of his mouth will be dismissed, but still, I disagree.

He wants whatever it is he wants and screw everything else. He's lived his entire life that way and has proudly done so.

[Clarkey]

MOD EDIT: No.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Plus, as expected, his policies have already moved to the centre from where he started. Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest and most successful people on the planet and soon to be leader of the free world. Take a retrospective on most "dumb" things he has said or done to date, and you'll note it was generally all well calculated and let to his ultimate success with the American public. He has huge support for his mandate.

Repubs control all the levels because the American people voted that they want them to have control. This isn't some scheme against the Dems, they had their chance, and the American public did not care for what they were currently selling.

He won't be a liability to the country because he is president for one reason, to cement his legacy of success. He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

How do quantify success? He has gone bankrupt numerous times. He inherited his wealth from his father. Studies have shown that he would be richer had he simply put his inheritance into an index fund instead of his businesses. So, he has been less successful than had he simply let his money sit in the market. Despite all of his efforts, he has reduced his wealth from what it could have been.

How are you judging his intelligence? Having the ability to go bankrupt numerous times is not intelligence. From what I have read, he was not at the top of his graduating group. Is he above average intelligence? Yes, but how much far above an IQ of 100 is he? Also, there are numerous types of intelligence and I would bet he is low in several areas such as inter/intra personal intelligence. The most concerning lack of intelligence to me is his understanding of the world. He seems quite ignorant of world issues. Bullying and arrogance aren't going to mean much with many world leaders. In my opinion, Putin is highly intelligent and I think he will manipulate Trump at will. I think this manipulation began last week with the 'friendly' letter Putin sent to Trump. It looks like Putin already figured out he just has to stroke Trump's ego and now they are buddies.

[You Need a Thneed]

I'm not sure Trump is qualified to run a roadside lemonade stand.

[Lanny's Moustache]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I'm not sure Trump is qualified to run a roadside lemonade stand.

What is actually scary is that Drumpf has no concept of what a lemonade stand is yet the "common man" American voted for the 5th Ave penthouse living king of his own world who #####s in a toilet made of gold. Because Wall Street is bad. Unless they are his friends, of course. Or should I say friend$$$?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I'm not sure Trump is qualified to run a roadside lemonade stand.

Trump is perfectly qualified to run a sleazy car dealership...anything that requires more skill or ethics is out of his league.

I am really worried that if he isn't impeached relatively quickly he will become deeply entrenched. Probably on the back of the next terrorist attack.

I hope this Russian connection buries him with enough of his Republican base to get him fired.

[Wormius]

Are those twitter accounts from the Russian embassies real? You would think diplomats, even if they were being expelled, would have more tact. If those tweets alone were endorsed by the Russian government then I am flabbergasted. How absolutely childish.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Dumb you say? The man is one of the smartest and most successful people on the planet and soon to be leader of the free world.

Trump is a fool. He is a narcissist and a sociopath. He thinks he's this tremendously smart person but he lacks every indicator of high intelligence. Trump has one of the most limited vocabularies you'll ever hear. He is intellectually dishonest and is not curious about matters unrelated to his ego or his fortune. He doesn't read (he has people read for him!), he doesn't challenge what he thinks he already knows, and he does not take counsel of others who he do not think the sun rises and sets on his bloated ass.

Where Trump excels is in his emotional intelligence. He has used this ability to built this cult of personality which surrounds him and to support it through the media. He learned in the 70s and 80s to bully the tabloids in New York to build an reputation of being successful, but he's just lived off of his father's success. The one thing he is good at is building a brand, even if every one of those products is complete garbage. Trump is the east coast Kardasians.

Take a retrospective on most "dumb" things he has said or done to date, and you'll note it was generally all well calculated and let to his ultimate success with the American public.

You just don't understand the stupidity of the average American. They are so uninformed and ignorant of the world around them that a guy like Trump makes them feel better about themselves. That is why reality TV is so popular down here. It gives the average Joe a chance to see "famous people" doing stupid stuff that even they wouldn't do. Its kind of like the halo effect. People feel better about themselves when they see powerful people doing and saying stupid things. Trump was popular because he was a reality star who did and said plenty of stupid things. He's the President Comacho the reality set have been waiting for.

He has huge support for his mandate.

On what planet? His electoral college victory is one of the polisci books, and is going to be studied for years. The states that carried him to victory he won by less than 1% of votes cast. To make matters worse, his electoral college victory wasn't even that large. His 306 electoral college votes lags behind Obama's 332 and 365. They aren't even close to Reagan's 525 and 489, Nixon's 520, Johnson's 486, Eisenhower's 457 or 442. Electorally, this was a below average win, and he did so by the slimmest of margins in the states that swing the college. When you add in that he lost the popular vote by the margin he did, the largest loss by anyone who won the electoral college, his mandate does not exist. Trump is in the same boat as John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and George W. Bush, guys who became president because of the electoral college. To put it into terms that the reality TV set will understand, Trump is the winner of the Biggest Loser. What is interesting about the guys he's lumped in with? They are a who's who of the worst presidents in American history.

Repubs control all the levels because the American people voted that they want them to have control. This isn't some scheme against the Dems, they had their chance, and the American public did not care for what they were currently selling.

To quote your hero, WRONG. They control all three branches because the system is broken and the Republicans broke it. They have gerrymandered states so districts are stacked in their favor. They have run voter suppression campaigns with the greatest level of success because the courts are stacked with their judges. They own the judiciary because they refuse to convene the confirmation hearing on the judge the sitting president has appointed. They have used dirty tricks, unethical practices, and thumbed their nose at the constitution when they see fit, just so they can retain power.

He won't be a liability to the country because he is president for one reason, to cement his legacy of success. He cares too much about what people think of him, he wants to be loved.

He's already screwed there. He has the lowest approval rating of any president-elect. There has been a steady drain of support from his base because of his pivots and people are not happy with his selections for his cabinet. He is going to be a disaster because he's in a position that requires intelligence and understanding. He won't be able to charm his way through meetings or bull#### foreign leaders. Worst of all, he won't understand half the #### the Republicans in congress are going to pull on him. He's hit an iceberg before leaving dry dock.

[FlamesAddiction]

Trump is the very definition of corporate psychopath.

http://recruitloop.com/blog/11-ways-...opath-at-work/

[HotHotHeat]

I need a Kellyanne Conway auto mute extension for Chrome.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Trump is the very definition of corporate psychopath.

http://recruitloop.com/blog/11-ways-...opath-at-work/

Well crap... I think he actually hits all 11.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

How do quantify success? He has gone bankrupt numerous times. He inherited his wealth from his father. Studies have shown that he would be richer had he simply put his inheritance into an index fund instead of his businesses. So, he has been less successful than had he simply let his money sit in the market. Despite all of his efforts, he has reduced his wealth from what it could have been.

How are you judging his intelligence? Having the ability to go bankrupt numerous times is not intelligence. From what I have read, he was not at the top of his graduating group. Is he above average intelligence? Yes, but how much far above an IQ of 100 is he? Also, there are numerous types of intelligence and I would bet he is low in several areas such as inter/intra personal intelligence. The most concerning lack of intelligence to me is his understanding of the world. He seems quite ignorant of world issues. Bullying and arrogance aren't going to mean much with many world leaders. In my opinion, Putin is highly intelligent and I think he will manipulate Trump at will. I think this manipulation began last week with the 'friendly' letter Putin sent to Trump. It looks like Putin already figured out he just has to stroke Trump's ego and now they are buddies.

The would have made more money investing in the index thing is false as he wouldn't have access to all of his money to put it in an index at the time people do the comparison for. It's a real nice lefty piece of fake news

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...t-trumps-fath/