PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is pretty cut and dried at this point. Everyone in the IT security community knew this was coming, it was only a matter of time before the information was confirmed. There was enough data out there to lean toward Russian involvement, now the CIA has come forward confirming what was suspected.

Anonymous comments and leaks are the common basis of fake news; where are the FBI's opinions considering this is more their jurisdiction?

I suspect it's rougish elements of the CIA who are angry that Trump's election win resulted in the defeat of their rebels in Aleppo and shortly thereafter, the rest of Syria.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Trump took a call from Taiwan...its yet to be determined to whether it was a thoughtful move on Trumps part or if he was being played by Taiwan or whether he is doing his adorable wild card thing.

So he could be the first president to stand up to China regarding the Taiwan issue in decades, or he could be a wildcard playing it unpredictably. Neither of which indicates he's weak and malleable.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is pretty cut and dried at this point. Everyone in the IT security community knew this was coming, it was only a matter of time before the information was confirmed. There was enough data out there to lean toward Russian involvement, now the CIA has come forward confirming what was suspected.

To me, the real question is whether Trump's team was aware of this, which is why the 'secret server' story is so (*&$#) crazy. If (and this is a BIG if) there was a deliberate collaboration between Trump and company and the Russians (beyond the already outrageous "Hey Russia can you find those emails" speech) it looks like outright treason (to my non-specialist eyes). This is conjecture at this point, but there is a BIG reason to investigate this

...and anyone who tries to blow this off while having a desire to investigate Hillary's emails is just a goof.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by accord1999

So he could be the first president to stand up to China regarding the Taiwan issue in decades, or he could be a wildcard playing it unpredictably. Neither of which indicates he's weak and malleable.

Unless Taiwan instigated the call and Trump was unaware of the consequences...which is not impossible. Maybe he has his act together and it's only SNL that indicates his weakness and malleability

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

The story of the computer scientists discovering by accident the link between a Trump sever and a Russian bank is MUCH more concerning to me than wiki leaks.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...th_russia.html

It shouldn't, it was a company sending out email spam on behalf of Trump's business.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-server-t...-russian-bank/

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by accord1999

It shouldn't, it was a company sending out email spam on behalf of Trump's business.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-server-t...-russian-bank/

I hope that's true...it's not a 'false' just unproven

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Anonymous comments and leaks are the common basis of fake news; where are the FBI's opinions considering this is more their jurisdiction?

Cyber security is a very complex issue because of the attack surface. Cyber security is not the FBI's jurisdiction. They would be involved in the investigation if there is potential for criminal charges, but as far as defending the nation against cyber attacks that is the responsibility of the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, and private interests around the country. Working under the DHS umbrella will be the series of agencies with three letter names. The most important facet of the defense of the country's cyber assets is the cooperative effort put forth by private interests. Because of the vast amount of data to comb through it takes a village to fight the problem. This is why you saw the Trump email server discovered and verified by private interests who then informed the FBI of possible threats.

The FBI's role in all of this is to act as a point of contact and cooperation for these private interests. Through the Infragard organization the FBI acts as the hub of data sharing between private and public parties. Local and state government, local and state law enforcement, education institutions, and private enterprise work cooperatively to expand the detection and cyber intelligence surface. The FBI acts as the clearinghouse and traffic cop for focusing all of these interests together. But the higher authority is DHS.

I suspect it's rougish elements of the CIA who are angry that Trump's election win resulted in the defeat of their rebels in Aleppo and shortly thereafter, the rest of Syria.

[ResAlien]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3821cf423c6b

Uuuuugh. This is not a case of wait and see, not a case of weigh all the options. This is the soon to be commander in chief saying "Our intelligence says what? Nope. I disagree. I think it's the Democrats bring mad. Yup. Mad Democrats." An outright denial of the information available. I'm sure this will all turn out well.

[zamler]

Aren't you the one that said it is basically impossible for the Russians or any other entity to influence the outcome of the election?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by zamler

Aren't you the one that said it is basically impossible for the Russians or any other entity to influence the outcome of the election?

Anyone who thinks that is not informed...I recommend this podcast by a cybersecurity expert who was talking about these issues in September.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-de...-idUSKCN10C2FM


In elections where the margins are so tight...even just trolling and spreading misinformation can make several percentage points difference, which may be all that is needed to tip the scales (look at Brexit, US).

[photon]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I'm sure this will all turn out well.

On the positive side alienating the intelligence community hopefully means he isn't salivating at how it can all be abused.

EDIT: Also on the positive side, Trump's also going to get some concessions from China to keep the One China policy around.

I don't know why we have to be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38282825

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There's a difference between hacking actual voting machines to change the vote totals and influencing the election. We already knew that Russia was doing the latter; that was obvious months ago when emails were released on the eve of the DNC. None of that is surprising or controversial.

[zamler]

Julian Assange said the Russians were not the source of the Podesta emails.

[photon]

Also on the positive side, Trump's says "nobody really knows" if climate change is real, but he's going to negotiate a better deal with CO2 and the sun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hange-is-real/

EDIT: He also doesn't need the daily intelligence briefings because he is a 'smart person'.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by zamler

Aren't you the one that said it is basically impossible for the Russians or any other entity to influence the outcome of the election?

Am I? I don't think so, but you're only asking questions I understand that. I did say that large scale voter fraud is a myth and if you believe it's a thing you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, maybe that's what you have confused it with.

I'll be more clear because things can be difficult when things aren't clearly spelled out for some. The issue is less that the Russians tried to infuuence the election because they wanted Trump to win, it's that the soon to be president is outright dismissing the intelligence community's findings because he doesn't like it and think he knows better. It paints his buddy Putin in a bad light and he dislikes that.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Am I?

Pretty sure yes, but you may have been talking about voter fraud I don't remember exactly.

I'll be more clear because things can be difficult when things aren't clearly spelled out for some. The issue is less that the Russians tried to infuuence the election because they wanted Trump to win, it's that the soon to be president is outright dismissing the intelligence community's findings because he doesn't like it and think he knows better. It paints his buddy Putin in a bad light and he dislikes that.

That may be the issue to some but that is not the issue being pushed by nearly ever media outlet. This headline for example:

CIA Concludes Russia Mounted Operation to Help Trump Win

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by zamler

Julian Assange said the Russians were not the source of the Podesta emails.

Meh, hard to take his denial at face value though. You know what happens to squealers.

[Street Pharmacist]

But the headline is correct and worrisome...

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

But the headline is correct and worrisome...

Suppose Russia did try help Trump win through hacking, that is not something Trump could control. And the failure is on the security of the various agencies and of course Hillary Clinton's ill advised plan of using an email server in her closet.

So what is the end game here? You'll agree actual voter fraud did not occur so then the goal will be to increase security of government information correct?

[photon]

Trump thinks the CIA report is an attempt by Obama to undercut Trump, that it was Democrats who put out the report (and not the CIA??) because Trump won in a landslide (he didn't but continues to repeat that delusion).

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...ackers-2016-12

Which is stupid, if Obama wanted to undercut Trump he would have released this information before the election instead of choosing to not release it so that the White House didn't appear partisan, and wouldn't be working with Trump to try and make the transfer of power as smooth as possible.