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Old 04-10-2007, 11:27 AM   #61
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Sorry Burninator, I did in fact read your lenghty post! (And I thought it was quite well written!). I guess the way that I took his story in particular was that he had begun to think more positively and see things that he would not have otherwise taken notice of before; basically he opened his mind up to the possibilities that were already there.

I agree that while I will try to think more positive about things, if I get cancer tomorrow I will be lining up for the chemo and such to beat it! I guess my thoughts after watching this movie were basically what bad could come from my trying this out?
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:57 AM   #62
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The bad is it spreads magical thinking, teaches fallacious logic, and gives people false hope in something that doesn't work while lining the pockets of those who sell this. It claims to be scientific when it isn't.

The thing shows a man visualizing himself attracting a car, and he magically gets a car (he didn't work for it, he didn't buy it, it just somehow came). The book specifically says that all you have to do is "ask, believe, and receive", no further action is required. But then it also says you can't just "ask, believe, and receive", so right off the bat it's self contradictory.

Not to mention how derogatory it is to those who are less fortunate. From that article Burn linked:
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Imagine a particularly hideous situation — a healthy young girl is raped and tortured, hacked to pieces, her remains stuffed into a plastic bag and thrown in the trash.
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Likewise, a philosophy that claims we are always getting what we ask for, and that nothing is accidental, must also believe that this girl in some sense deserved what happened to her because she attracted this evil to her. (Remember the law: “Everything in your life you have attracted. Accept that fact; it’s true.”) One might protest that a young girl has not yet developed the “magnetic powers” to attract anything to her — but one must then ask at what age do these powers develop, and does it really make the situation any less tragic? If a 12-year-old boy can attract a shiny new bike, can a 12-year-old girl attract a rapist and killer? It would seem the answer is yes, since there are 12-year-old girls who come to such a brutal demise. Perhaps, though, 12 is too young to attract such powerful evil; is it really better, though, if we imagine the rape, dismembering, and plastic-bag-stuffing of a 25-year-old woman? A 35-year-old mother of three? A grandmother? Can we really feel comfortable ever saying that people attract fatal accidents, illness, trauma, and death?
After all, that's a basic assertion of the law of attraction: "Everything in your life you have attracted. Accept that fact; it’s true." What kind of pathetic mind does it take to have to resort to blaming anything negative on the victim themselves.

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The danger to society is not merely that it should believe wrong things, though that is great enough; but that it should become credulous, and lose the habit of testing things and inquiring into them, for then it must sink back into savagery… It may matter little to me, in my cloud-castle of sweet illusions and darling lies; but it matters much to Man that I have made my neighbors ready to deceive. The credulous man is father to the liar and the cheat.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:50 PM   #63
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I see your point here; that is not something that I had put any thought to! (Not because I'm overly positive, and not because I'm brainwashed!). It's interesting, but the "theory" never claims that only good things happen. I realise that horrible things happen to good people, and I understand that the good has to apply, as well as the bad.

I don't know that this is a good place to gte into this....but there are points similar to this tenet in buddhism and linked to reincarnation.
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:23 PM   #64
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Yeah that article actually draws parallels to that.. that nothing is unjust. But that makes more sense than this, in that case you get reincarnated so there's another chance. With The Secret, once the little girl who had so many negative thoughts that she died, she's dead forever.
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Well photon, I suppose that would depend on what you believe in addition to the secret?
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True. But I'd wager The Secret core success is in North America where the number of people who believe in reincarnation is very low.
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True. But I'd wager The Secret core success is in North America where the number of people who believe in reincarnation is very low.

I agree with this....it would be hard to be a born-again christian and believe that the secret is 100% correct as well.
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