CP Music Draft! (COMPLETED)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Just a question....what happens if we all fill our categories and a large number of us would like to continue drafting. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

We'll address it when we get there.

But I would prefer a draft end and a different one started rather than dragging it on into like the 30th round.
This draft has gone very smoothly and I'm very pleased.
And I've learned alot since I don't really know much about music.

Any ideas let me know!

[troutman]

I'd like to do another draft of artists that started 10 years or less ago (same categories).

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'd like to do another draft of artists that started 10 years or less ago (same categories).

I'd be so lost.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'd like to do another draft of artists that started 10 years or less ago (same categories).

I would have a tough time 20 years or less. Music has taken a different turn in the last ten years and just now musicians are starting to float once again to the forefront. But I really don't think there's been enough breakthroughs mainstream enough to such restrictions. They don't kick out albums like they once did, so were talking 3 album output max.

With 20 people like we have here trying to pick 20 drummers that didn't do a recording pre-1998...

That doesn't even include that most musicians have a 5+ year span that they preform trying to land a record deal.

[Hanna Sniper]

I'm not trying to rain on that parade, I'm pro in the idea off adding to this in whatever form. I know X artist (name with held because someone will be pissed at me if I gave him/her away) and this artist is just on the crust of being the new blood in a music scene... very much would be an artist that you would think would fall in the 10 year span...

But I have recordings of him/her stretching back 4 CD's ago that would eliminate artist "X" even though he/she has just recorded their 1st major release.

[Berger_4_]

I'd like to add some genre categories to the next one (if there is in fact a next one). Then maybe have some categories from each decade? One person/band or whatever from every ten year period? I dunno just tossing some ideas out there.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'd be so lost.

my list would be pretty much blank

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I'd be so lost.

That's why we should do it. There is mostly "Classic Rock" in this draft. We could learn a thing or two from the young guns. More music is getting released now than ever before, and it takes time and effort to find what you like.

[kermitology]

Let's get it going Foo.. I've got to go to Sweden on Friday!

[Hanna Sniper]

I doubt we can list 20 great drummers without ten years experience,

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Let's get it going Foo.. I've got to go to Sweden on Friday!

Go ahead, Foo's been Asskicked.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Let's get it going Foo.. I've got to go to Sweden on Friday!

Columbia Falls and then Sweden? Dang!

How was the Flathead anyway?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I doubt we can list 20 great drummers without ten years experience,

Why not? There are more people drumming today than ever.

[MonsieurFish]

Here's an idea:

I dont know if there is any sort of judging or whether its just drafting and when everyone has drafted, that's the end.... but I think we should make this some sort of competition of some sort?

for instance, when everyone has drafted their complete teams.... why doesn't every member of the draft order the teams 1 through 20 (or however many teams there are) and the team with the lowest score wins? or something like that. Just an idea

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by troutman

Why not? There are more people drumming today than ever.

That has less then ten years experience? and are they anywhere near the talents of the names already picked by some people here.... all that in no more then two albums

Note, not trying to be dink or anything, genuine curiosity. I don't hear it, but I'm not opposed to be pointed into the right direction.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Columbia Falls and then Sweden? Dang!

How was the Flathead anyway?

That place is totally awesome.. loved every minute of it. Hiked Big Mountain, played a bunch of golf.. wicked time.

It get's better.. Stockholm, then Copenhagen, then Munich. So hopefully the next two rounds go semi slow since I won't have 100% internet access until Munich.

Picks in the mornin.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

That has less then ten years experience? and are they anywhere near the talents of the names already picked by some people here.... all that in no more then two albums

No doubt about it.

http://www.moderndrummer.com/

http://www.drummerworld.com/index2.html

In fact, some of the "legends" we have picked, had very short careers. Ex. Jimi Hendrix - 3 albums during his life. Nirvana - 3 albums. I think it would be interesting to get out of our comfort zones, and learn about all the great new music out there. We are starting to sound like our Dads - ie. "everything was better in the good-ole-days".

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by troutman

No doubt about it. In fact, some of the "legends" we have picked, had very short careers. Ex. Jimi Hendrix - 3 albums during his life. Nirvana - 3 albums. I think it would be interesting to get out of our comfort zones, and learn about all the great new music out there. We are starting to sound like our Dad's - ie. "everything was better in the good-ole-days".

It's because... well... it was!!!!!

No, I agree with you guys though, it would be interesting. The problem I find is that without historical perspective, I tend to be wary of jumping the gun on bands/artists. Time needs to pass in order to properly situate an artist in terms of how much staying power they have, how much I actually like them, and their overall cultural impact. My strategy for this draft has been to pick the most iconic team possible, so even if I have had a newish band/artist penciled into a category, when it comes down to it, if a rock icon is still available, I'll always take them.

But if we did do another, more contemporary draft, I could be liberated from the shackles of historical contextualization that weight me down so heavily.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by troutman

No doubt about it.

http://www.moderndrummer.com/

http://www.drummerworld.com/index2.html

In fact, some of the "legends" we have picked, had very short careers. Ex. Jimi Hendrix - 3 albums during his life. Nirvana - 3 albums. I think it would be interesting to get out of our comfort zones, and learn about all the great new music out there. We are starting to sound like our Dads - ie. "everything was better in the good-ole-days".

Not really the point I'm trying to make Trout, I'm afraid you might be jumping my point and tying it to something else. Never once said it was better in the good ole days (or I didn't intend to). What I was (trying to say) saying that music had taken a huge change in the late 1995-2005 and with this change musicians were not in the for front of popular music... like they are now becoming once again. This is not about talent but rather the ability to show ones talent. Whens the last time you heard a drum solo on a recording not dating back past 10 years.
It's great that you name legends what were able to establish themselves in less then ten years but too bad they weren't in the last 10 years (which is pretty much my point)

The two links you provided, the first one was a main page and didn't reference any drummer, the second link out of the drummers featured on the page only two of the 8 fit the requirements.

Ed Soph - Pre 1998
Andrew Small - Pre 1998
Peter Erskine- pe 1998
Aaron Spears - couldn't find an dates, but id win 2006 Modern Drummer "Up and Coming" poll... perfect example
Terri Lyne Carrington - pre 1998
Thomas Pridgen - perfect example
Frank Beard - not even close

just to be clear, although you think I'm taking about the quality in the performer where in fact I'm more saying that the 10 year is too short of a time span for a musician to be established enough. Even if you take the Jimi Hendrix example and use that one, you're not really taking into account the years James Marshall Hendrix was a backup musician to people like Little Richard and such.

I have no problems "getting out of our comfort zones" and "learn about all the great new music"... if you read back you'll see that I've been one of the main supporters of such a notion, I'm personally loving this, and have wasted a large amount of time youtubiing all the examples others have shared... Personally I think we share the same viewpoint but I recognize a musicians career and effort includes the time before they make it big and land a record deal or commercial success because commercial success or a major record deal are not the requirements of being a musician.

it's not about the musician but rather the small time line.
After typing all that I finally figure out how to say it in one line, friggen figures


at least we're killing time till the next pick and this is a lot more interesting then just... bump

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

. What I was (trying to say) saying that music had taken a huge change in the late 1995-2005 and with this change musicians were not in the for front of popular music... like they are now becoming once again. This is not about talent but rather the ability to show ones talent. Whens the last time you heard a drum solo on a recording not dating back past 10 years.

Good takes, but I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Thousands of CDs are released every month. There was more music made in the style you are talking about between 1995-2005 than 40 years ago. It's just harder to find with all the media we have today.

I see your point if we are only talking about commercial radio, but here is a whole universe of music and artists outside mainstream corporate radio.