[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Hey man, if you're to biased to see the pile of excellent talent they're developing over in CLB, that's cool. But Kent Johnson, Marchenko, Sillinger, and a few others are all legit offensive talents.

If I were someone like Gaidreau and looking at long term upside and who could carry me as I age out, CLB has a really bright future.

But, end of the day, eff the Iackets and eff Gaudreau. May you all get gout.

For how bad this team is been they are nothing special...they have a few good prospects like most bad teams. They aren't developing anything other than sucking and drafting high. Nobody is scared of them and wont be for years.

Its not bias I would have told you that before Gaudreau went there

I've also heard about a lot of teams building something special over the years...more often than not it doesn't pan out the way people expect. Gaudreau probably hurts them with this, he improves them enough for be out of the lottery but not enough to make the playoffs let alone do anything when they get there.

Any number of bad teams have high end prospects...its a joke to think he picked CBJ for their long term upside, he went there because he had a lack of options and doesn't like pressure. Guy couldn't even name 5 players on the roster.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

For how bad this team is been they are nothing special...they have a few good prospects like most bad teams. They aren't developing anything other than sucking and drafting high. Nobody is scared of them and wont be for years.

Its not bias I would have told you that before Gaudreau went there

I've also heard about a lot of teams building something special over the years...more often than not it doesn't pan out the way people expect. Gaudreau probably hurts them with this, he improves them enough for be out of the lottery but not enough to make the playoffs let alone do anything when they get there.

Any number of bad teams have high end prospects...its a joke to think he picked CBJ for their long term upside, he went there because he had a lack of options and doesn't like pressure. Guy couldn't even name 5 players on the roster.

Bold point one, this has been my gripe with you about the Flames, it seems somewhat similar to what the Flames have been doing here in respect to do anything when they get to the playoffs. I think Columbus is going to soon realize that Gaudreau can't be the guy to win in the playoffs, however I agree with the previous poster that they do have some intriguing young prospects. I don't see them being a powerhouse though any time soon.

In regards to bolded point two, agree with you 1000%. He seems like the guy who knows he is very good at what he does, upper echelon of the league, but completely content with cashing his pay cheque and living a healthy lifestyle, without that true internal desire to win cups. Thats not a critique either, some personalties are just like that, he fits that bill.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Bold point one, this has been my gripe with you about the Flames, it seems somewhat similar to what the Flames have been doing here in respect to do anything when they get to the playoffs. I think Columbus is going to soon realize that Gaudreau can't be the guy to win in the playoffs, however I agree with the previous poster that they do have some intriguing young prospects. I don't see them being a powerhouse though any time soon.

In regards to bolded point two, agree with you 1000%. He seems like the guy who knows he is very good at what he does, upper echelon of the league, but completely content with cashing his pay cheque and living a healthy lifestyle, without that true internal desire to win cups. Thats not a critique either, some personalties are just like that, he fits that bill.

To be fair though the Flames have been a high end regular season team, not finishing 9th or 10th
They just had 111 points, you might be right about playoffs though

Gaudreau's comments and actions of late show that winning isn't a very high priority, not sure how anyone can argue....and yeah every bad team has intriguing prospects. Sens, Detroit, ect...its hard not to when you rarely make the playoffs. There is zero chance Gaudreau is there on the foresight he thinks they will be a contender when his career is winding down, he is in his absolute prime...if he wanted to win he would have gone to a playoff team at the very least. (or stayed with one)

[Stampede2TheCup]

I came across this neat little montage that touches on this topic.

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1559659878351638528

[JohnnyB]

The BJs before Johnny I would have considered a team that was rebuilding. With the addition of Johnny, I would say they're a bubble team. They could surprise and go win a round or two, or could be totally out of the playoffs. Even with Johnny, they would need quite a lot to go right to become a guaranteed playoff team in the East.

[t0rrent98]

Johnny was spotted still wearing his flames pants and helmet while huberdeau is already wearing full flames gear.. media as always blowing things out if portion.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Bold point one, this has been my gripe with you about the Flames, it seems somewhat similar to what the Flames have been doing here in respect to do anything when they get to the playoffs. I think Columbus is going to soon realize that Gaudreau can't be the guy to win in the playoffs, however I agree with the previous poster that they do have some intriguing young prospects. I don't see them being a powerhouse though any time soon.

In regards to bolded point two, agree with you 1000%. He seems like the guy who knows he is very good at what he does, upper echelon of the league, but completely content with cashing his pay cheque and living a healthy lifestyle, without that true internal desire to win cups. Thats not a critique either, some personalties are just like that, he fits that bill.

From the Jackets’ perspective, I suspect they view Gaudreau the way we view Huberdeau.

He legitimizes them. He’s the biggest free agent signing in team history. We think Canadian teams have a hard time getting players to stay, but they really don’t.

The noteworthy players Columbus has either lost for nothing or who’ve demanded trades is worse than ours.

Panarin, Bobrovsky, Duchene, Jones, Dubois, Nash, Carter, I’m sure I’m leaving some guys out.

That’s so tough.

They signed Gaudreau, and immediately signed Laine for another four years. Laine could well score 60 with Gaudreau setting him up, and Gaudreau honestly could win an MVP if that Jackets team makes the playoffs and he’s got another 100+ points with 70 assists.

It has given them a huge boost in season ticket sales.

And if they get into the playoffs, they might win a round or two. Maybe more, if the goaltending comes together and some other guys develop.

Making the playoffs, Winning even one round, does so much in a market to create long term fans, which is what a place like Columbus needs to do.

They can’t be stuck as a bottom-5 or bottom-10 team in perpetuity, or they’ll dry up and blow away, precisely because they’re not a Canadian team.

[JohnnyB]

Little doubt it was the signing of the summer. CBJ are big winners in picking up Johnny and will be a substantially better and more exciting team with him. They may have just been lucky to do so, but they knocked it out of the park this summer.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Seems like you're looking through rose coloured glasses for every other team except those 3. MTL is a bit of a wildcard depending on their goaltending.


IN: Gaudreau+Gudbranson
OUT: Bjorkstrand+Domi.

DECLINING: Voracek, Nyquist (both 33)
PRIME: Gaudreau, Jenner, Elvis, Kuraly
ASCENDING: pretty much everyone else.

Laine/Jenner/Boqvist each played under 60 gp. Werenski 68, Bean 67. Texier/Bemstrom each about 40.

Of course most teams deal with injuries, but CBJ's circle is bigger than DET/OTT/NJD:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1521214760632598529

BUF is a hard team to judge...they finished strong, but that's often a mirage, and their goaltending is still crap. I'm also not sure I'd count on Skinner/Okposo to combine for 54 goals, or for Thompson to repeat his 38...

If your team is losing/just crappy, then it has to be tougher to play through injuries.

[powderjunkie]

The East has 9 established teams (incl. NYI) and 7 looking for a foothold.

I don't think anyone is arguing that CBJ is the next big thing...just that there is no reason to say they are behind the other 6 non-established teams.

Originally Posted by dustygoon

If your team is losing/just crappy, then it has to be tougher to play through injuries.

Despite slightly worse injuries, they still finished better than all the other darling teams

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Little doubt it was the signing of the summer. CBJ are big winners in picking up Johnny and will be a substantially better and more exciting team with him. They may have just been lucky to do so, but they knocked it out of the park this summer.

Substantially better? They added Gaudreau and lost one of their best players

They have improved but teams like the Sens improved far more over the summer

I doubt CBJ is 15-20 points better

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Substantially better? They added Gaudreau and lost one of their best players

They have improved but teams like the Sens improved far more over the summer

I doubt CBJ is 15-20 points better

They lost a 57 point, -35 player and they added a 115 point, +64 player who can carry the puck in on the rush and run the power play.

I'm not saying they'll be 15-20 points better in the standings, but they're going to be way more exciting and a better team with Johnny than they were with Bjorkstrand. This summer was a huge success for them. They picked up a legit star coming off a near-MVP season and gave up nothing but cap space to add that, at under $10M for seven years. How is that not a win?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

They lost a 57 point, -35 player and they added a 115 point, +64 player who can carry the puck in on the rush and run the power play.

I'm not saying they'll be 15-20 points better in the standings, but they're going to be way more exciting and a better team with Johnny than they were with Bjorkstrand. This summer was a huge success for them. They picked up a legit star coming off a near-MVP season and gave up nothing but cap space to add that, at under $10M for seven years. How is that not a win?

The D is still bad and the goaltending is mediocre. Opposing teams are going to double team Gaudreau and neutralize him a lot. Laine disappears for stretches and they will cover him well too. Teams will take their chances on Boone Jenner beating them. Sure, in the future that team has some nice help coming down the line but next year I would be very shocked if they were anywhere near a playoff spot.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

They lost a 57 point, -35 player and they added a 115 point, +64 player who can carry the puck in on the rush and run the power play.

I'm not saying they'll be 15-20 points better in the standings, but they're going to be way more exciting and a better team with Johnny than they were with Bjorkstrand. This summer was a huge success for them. They picked up a legit star coming off a near-MVP season and gave up nothing but cap space to add that, at under $10M for seven years. How is that not a win?

They lost their 2nd leading scorer...good luck with +64 playing for the jackets

I said they improved already, not nearly enough though....they are good enough to not be in the lottery of an awesome draft but not good enough to make the playoffs

[JohnnyB]

You think Johnny's positive impact doesn't much more than offset the loss of Bjorkstrand?

The fact that Bjorkstrand was their second leading scorer highlights how much they just improved their talent pool by adding Johnny.

This off-season was a huge success for them.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Two things can be true at once:

-Johnny makes the Jackets a much better team than they were last year
-They probably still aren’t good enough to make the playoffs

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You think Johnny's positive impact doesn't much more than offset the loss of Bjorkstrand?

The fact that Bjorkstrand was their second leading scorer highlights how much they just improved their talent pool by adding Johnny.

This off-season was a huge success for them.

Who said that? You keep saying how much they improved...by how many points? 5? 10?

I bet the Sens have a much larger year over year improvement


I think the Flyers were smart enough to realize it wasn't the time to sign a 10M player that makes you slightly better but still not good enough

Gaudreau will still get the points, his high end defensive metrics are done. He went from -10, +2, +64 over the last 3 seasons. You can call him a +64 player but that isn't happening without Sutter, Lindholm, Markstrom, ect.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said that? You keep saying how much they improved...by how many points? 5? 10?

I bet the Sens have a much larger year over year improvement


I think the Flyers were smart enough to realize it wasn't the time to sign a 10M player that makes you slightly better but still not good enough

Gaudreau will still get the points, his high end defensive metrics are done

Have you actually read my post that you initially quoted and replied to?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Have you actually read my post that you initially quoted and replied to?

have you read mine? I said they improved but its not as major as some seem to think (knocked it out of the park) I am disagreeing with you saying they are "substantially better" They likely finish in the exact same spot as last year.

they aren't getting a 115 points +64 player

you were the one comparing a Flames players +/- with a Jackets players +/-

$100 says Gaudreau is a minus player this season, him and Laine won't even know the goalies name until the windup party


You say they are substantially better, what place do they finish in?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

have you read mine? I said they improved but its not as major as some seem to think (knocked it out of the park) I am disagreeing with you saying they are "substantially better" They likely finish in the exact same spot as last year.

they aren't getting a 115 points +64 player

you were the one comparing a Flames players +/- with a Jackets players +/-

$100 says Gaudreau is a minus player this season, him and Laine won't even know the goalies name until the windup party

If you don't see signing a UFA star like Johnny to a long-term contract under $10M as knocking it out of the park for a franchise like the Blue Jackets then let's just agree to disagree.