[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

"Constantly trashing players and management, but as soon as they get rejected, then it’s actually a character issue for the person that rejected them. Pretty pathetic."

I'll skip this thread as the emotional, wokester, liberal types and the "Franchise Player" commenters LOL are continuing to make Ad Hominin attacks on messages they don't like.

I don't fall in love players. Go psychoanalyse yourself Dr Freud.

What really is amazing is Eric Francis was right after all these years. The Guadreau's hated the guy and now he's the one they owe an apology too.

You keep bringing up “Ad Hominin” as of your post that started with “meow meow meow meow” wasn’t completely full of ad hominem lol.

Maybe you just have to find a more mature way to deal with the fact that Gaudreau delivered a message you didn’t like. But I doubt you’ll manage, considering everything ELSE is ad hominem, anyone criticising your message is just “wokester liberals!”, and the problem with Gaudreau is apparently his character and not the guy who calls him ##### whipped lol.

Your post read like it came from a 16 year old basement dwelling internet troll, not an adult man with grandkids. That should give you some pause.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, JG was drafted on Feaster’s watch. But he had very little to do with it. It was a throwaway 4th round pick where his involvement was saying “ok”.

A bigger display of his (and Weisbrod’s) drafting judgment is the Jankowski fiasco. He also used his first rounders on Poirier, Baertschi, Klimchuk, (and his picks for TB aside from the Stamkos no brainer are no better), his seconds on Seiloff, Wotherspoon and Granlund, and his thirds on Keegan Kanzig and Gillies.

If Sutter had still been GM, or if Feaster as acting GM didn't buck that culture left over from Sutter, Johnny never would have been drafted. He didn't do the scouting, but he was willing to listen to Button and go with a small, skilled, US-born kid. He also subsequently was very supportive of getting Johnny into the organization and feeling welcome. Criticize him for other bad moves, but he left the team with the gift of the most exciting player the Flames have had since at least Theo Fleury. As a fan, I can't help but appreciate Feaster for his role in me having had the chance to watch Johnny play over the years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

If Sutter had still been GM, or if Feaster as acting GM didn't buck that culture left over from Sutter, Johnny never would have been drafted. He didn't do the scouting, but he was willing to listen to Button and go with a small, skilled, US-born kid. He also subsequently was very supportive of getting Johnny into the organization and feeling welcome. Criticize him for other bad moves, but he left the team with the gift of the most exciting player the Flames have had since at least Theo Fleury. As a fan, I can't help but appreciate Feaster for his role in me having had the chance to watch Johnny play over the years.

Who cares who Sutter would have drafted? Is someone saying he was good at drafting? Though you do realize he drafted a guy from Gaudreau’s team (in fact from his line) in the 4th round in the 2011 draft, right? I imagine Sutter might have drafted Gaudreau too.

Feaster was not good at drafting except for that one time he listened to someone who pushed for Gaudreau. The sum total of his good work is saying “ok” to someone else’s idea. You could also have been watching Gaudreau passing to Teravainen or Hertl, or playing in front of Vasilevskiy but for Feaster.

[Hanna Sniper]

It’s funny when people talk about how drafting is done with regarding to GM and head scout. And who wouldn’t have did what.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

It’s funny when people talk about how drafting is done with regarding to GM and head scout. And who wouldn’t have did what.

All you can say is what they actually did. But also there are plenty of documentary type videos of the drafting process by various teams (not the Flames to my knowledge).

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I haven’t seen a single post excusing Johnny’s actions by saying he met his contractual obligations. You’re confusing two different discussions.

Johnny negotiated poorly with the flames and clearly burned some bridges. That looks bad on him. I haven’t seen anyone excuse him for that, with the exception of a few cringe incel misogynist posts blaming his wife and suggesting she’s a controlling succubus (like the one directly above mine that was made while I was writing this).

Totally separate from that is the fact he didn’t choose Calgary and was free to leave. He didn’t owe our city anything. He’s not a loser for choosing Columbus because they offered less money, never win, aren’t a hockey hotbed and don’t have rabid fans. He made a decision to make himself and his family happy. The fact he prioritized different things than did flames fans makes total sense. It doesn’t mean he, or anyone in his family, hates Calgary.

People have every right to be upset that he ####ed up his legacy with the flames by screwing up the negotiations. They should not be upset that it made sense for him and his family to play closer to home.

Completely agree, people need to separate the choice he made (which is fine and best for his family) with how he did it (which was bungled and makes everyone look bad).

There are quite a few posts saying he met his contractual obligations though, which are what I was responding too.

All the misogynist crap is weird. I would say his actions show a lack of maturity over anything else.

[Mr.Coffee]

The other thing people should keep in mind is that the fans love the team and will move onto the next local hero, the next guy to score goals, the next good player. If Gaudreau didn’t want to be that guy that’s okay, that’s his call but I am pretty sure lots of other good hockey players are more than willing to fill the void.

Maybe that guy is Tkachuk, maybe somebody else, meh. Time to move on.

[Bingo]

Personally I've never been about players, they come and go. It's the team, the jersey.

I go back to last summer coming off a missed playoff and what I thought of the team.

- Team wouldn't score
- Didn't like the core and wanted to move on

Instead Sutter weaved his magic, we had a bunch of career seasons, won the division, won a playoff round all as a surprise to me honestly.

But this core always needed to change.

Part of me wishes they would have just moved on earlier and recouped assets, but then I wouldn't have had that game 7 overtime celebration with my 20 year old son.

But either way we are clearly getting some change now, and likely a lot of it if Tkachuk isn't coming back.

I think Gaudreau made some mistakes and disappointed the club and probably his agent, but I'm with those that don't see malice, but more just a confused emotional guy.

Time will go by and he'll be a former Flame with some nice numbers and the anger will dissipate.

Having said all that I get the hurt feelings from Flames fans. You're supposed to invest, so you're allowed to be upset. Just keep it classy.

I like change ... we're getting it!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The other thing people should keep in mind is that the fans love the team and will move onto the next local hero, the next guy to score goals, the next good player. If Gaudreau didn’t want to be that guy that’s okay, that’s his call but I am pretty sure lots of other good hockey players are more than willing to fill the void.

Maybe that guy is Tkachuk, maybe somebody else, meh. Time to move on.

True. People complained about the Nilsson trade especially when the pick was used for a kid named Joe they never heard of. The team moved on. Even when Iggy was traded, fans found new guys to cheer for.

I tend to root hard for players we have and then almost forget them as they leave. Including Iginla, Newy, Theo, Gilmour, MacInnis, etc. They are just players on other teams.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Personally I've never been about players, they come and go. It's the team, the jersey.

I go back to last summer coming off a missed playoff and what I thought of the team.

- Team wouldn't score
- Didn't like the core and wanted to move on

Instead Sutter weaved his magic, we had a bunch of career seasons, won the division, won a playoff round all as a surprise to me honestly.

But this core always needed to change.

Part of me wishes they would have just moved on earlier and recouped assets, but then I wouldn't have had that game 7 overtime celebration with my 20 year old son.

But either way we are clearly getting some change now, and likely a lot of it if Tkachuk isn't coming back.

I think Gaudreau made some mistakes and disappointed the club and probably his agent, but I'm with those that don't see malice, but more just a confused emotional guy.

Time will go by and he'll be a former Flame with some nice numbers and the anger will dissipate.

Having said all that I get the hurt feelings from Flames fans. You're supposed to invest, so you're allowed to be upset. Just keep it classy.

I like change ... we're getting it!

Problem is Bingo that the people putting the team together certainly don’t agree that the core needs to change. They were all in, and then some on the core of the team. Especially if it’s true they were offering JG the captaincy.

I’m good with change too but think I’m at the point where I want to see a clear new direction for the team. Not reacting and plugging gaps.

[PuckDemon]

Yeah the silver lining is that this does force us to change the core. I don't mind us hanging onto Gaudreau until the end because we had a decent shot at the cup this year. We were definitely well below the level of Colorado, but if you only ever make a run for the cup if you are true favorites, that's just no fun.

That Tim and Sid interview was eye-opening. Dude was on the verge of tears talking about Calgary. If anyone thinks he was faking that emotion, I don't know what to say. He would be one of the greatest actors of our time if so, and one of the greatest sociopaths as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Personally I've never been about players, they come and go. It's the team, the jersey.

I go back to last summer coming off a missed playoff and what I thought of the team.

- Team wouldn't score
- Didn't like the core and wanted to move on

Instead Sutter weaved his magic, we had a bunch of career seasons, won the division, won a playoff round all as a surprise to me honestly.

But this core always needed to change.

Part of me wishes they would have just moved on earlier and recouped assets, but then I wouldn't have had that game 7 overtime celebration with my 20 year old son.

But either way we are clearly getting some change now, and likely a lot of it if Tkachuk isn't coming back.

I think Gaudreau made some mistakes and disappointed the club and probably his agent, but I'm with those that don't see malice, but more just a confused emotional guy.

Time will go by and he'll be a former Flame with some nice numbers and the anger will dissipate.

Having said all that I get the hurt feelings from Flames fans. You're supposed to invest, so you're allowed to be upset. Just keep it classy.

I like change ... we're getting it!

I agree with all this but I think it puts Johnny’s legacy here closer to Nilsson than to Iginla
Friedman podcast really makes it clear what happened

He wanted to go Philly
Philly never was a player which liked surprised Johnny
Meantime the Flames met his demands and there was a time on Tuesday where everyone (including other teams) thought it was done then Johnny changed his mind last minute. Even counter to what some in his inner circle (probably his agent) advised him to do. That’s why the Flames were so caught off guard
So suddenly he had to consider other options and that’s how cbj became a player

Even Friedman, who rarely criticizes players, says he wishes Johnny had handled it differently

But at the end of the day we’ve talked about wanting to see some change and I agree this is the first domino to fall to get that
I think the bigger changes happen next summer. This year will be a little weird and a transitional year. Could be an interesting deadline if they aren’t in it

[GioforPM]

^^ speaking of Nilsson, the trade happened because he wanted a raise and the Flames weren’t willing. So they traded him offseason. The return? A couple second rounders. Imagine that return for Johnny in July 2021. Hell, imagine a return of a late first in this last mediocre draft.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Problem is Bingo that the people putting the team together certainly don’t agree that the core needs to change. They were all in, and then some on the core of the team. Especially if it’s true they were offering JG the captaincy.

I’m good with change too but think I’m at the point where I want to see a clear new direction for the team. Not reacting and plugging gaps.

Short of a franchise sale to a different owner I think this team will always strive to make the playoffs as goal number one.

Through that lens they couldn't trade Gaudreau last off season, and keeping Gaudreau now would have made the playoffs more likely this season.

If Tkachuk leaving is true, then they really have change and maybe they will rip it down, but still have my doubts.

Good news so far is we haven't seen the emotional "grab Kadri for whatever he wants" saddling the team with a 7 year expensive contract to a 32 year old coming off a career season.

[Jason14h]

Oh just you wait ��

[djsFlames]

Anything above 4 years for Kadri would be cray-cray.

There's probably an ocean between his demands and the offers out there.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Anything above 4 years for Kadri would be cray-cray.

There's probably an ocean between his demands and the offers out there.

Yeah, I said elsewhere, based on Gaudreau’s production and the difference in age, Kadri should get 4x$7M.

[GullFoss]

I think tkachuk is just as likely to be coming back. Johnny agonized over the decision and probably would have chosen Calgary if not for his wife. I don't think this speaks poorly about the flames or the organization.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

It’s funny when people talk about how drafting is done with regarding to GM and head scout. And who wouldn’t have did what.

I can only post what I think on the basis of what I've read and what I recall from the time. There's good content out there though with quotes from Feaster, Button and Parsons covering the whole process of scouting him through to drafting him. While none of us can say exactly what Sutter would have done, anyone who was a fan back then will remember we were in the Era of "BIG=good" and Johnny weighed in at 135 lbs or something at the draft.

If anything, going back and reading through what it was like for Johnny to be such an underdog that he wasn’t even expecting to be drafted, and thinking of how he developed from there, it's hard not to look at the bigger picture of his career and still want to cheer for him despite the screwed up nature of this departure from the Flames.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Part of me wishes they would have just moved on earlier and recouped assets, but then I wouldn't have had that game 7 overtime celebration with my 20 year old son.

As I age, this is the sort of thing that hits me more. I can be critical as hell of the team, but these type of moments are what I really enjoy about sports.

I love the drama that plays out on the field and the memories around it. I think my favourite moments in recent years are that Johnny game 7 goal, and Adam Fox in the Saddledome earlier last season when the fanbase just unloaded on him constantly only for him to score a goal, taunt the fans, and then have the goal overturned:

Spoiler!

It's why I actually think that Johnny leaving as a bit of a villain is actually fun. He could have left with words of kindness, and been up front with the organization and it'd just be...nothing from here on. "Oh yeah he used to play here", but now? It's a little grey. There's a little villainy mixed in there, and that's fun.

I hope we find a way to keep Chucky (because that dude is drama on the ice), but also land Klingberg and Kadri. I love the way those guys play the game. The way Klingberg threatened Raz(?) in the playoffs, the fact that Kadri told his critics to kiss his ass. It's fun.