US federal "vaccine court" rejects Autism claims

[Potty]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The guy is wearing a ski mask. Is there anything I can, you know, not laugh at right away?

Every member of the medical profession that has done documented research on vaccines = lying to you for profit
Youtube guy in ski mask = trustworthy source

[Tower]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

The guy is wearing a ski mask. Is there anything I can, you know, not laugh at right away?

And sun glasses to hide his eye.... Yes. So watch a bit. Theatrics work. Laugh it make no difference to the story behind it.

He isn't Ask a Ninja.

First video 3:30 mins in you get into the meat.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

And sun glasses to hide his eye.... Yes. So watch a bit. Theatrics work. Laugh it make no difference to the story behind it.

He isn't Ask a Ninja.

First video 3:30 mins in you get into the meat.

Okay, without going too far off the rails here, I just gotta say that nobody should take medical advice from a guy in a ski mask. "Theatrics" or whatever, just don't do it.

Would you take financial advice from a guy wearing a ski mask on youtube? If the answer is yes, please PM me your e-mail address.

And you never did answer that bit about how polio is gone because of "proper hygiene". Did every person in the western hemisphere become a lot cleaner starting in the mid 50's?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay, without going too far off the rails here, I just gotta say that nobody should take medical advice from a guy in a ski mask. "Theatrics" or whatever, just don't do it.

Would you take financial advice from a guy wearing a ski mask on youtube? If the answer is yes, please PM me your e-mail address.

And you never did answer that bit about how polio is gone because of "proper hygiene". Did every person in the western hemisphere become a lot cleaner starting in the mid 50's?

It's actually in the video after the anti-terrorist's intro i believe, but you are correct I didn't. I'll look it up. It's been a few years since I read the book.... I think I lent it out and never got it back. Wow that was 10 yrs ago! Anyway.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Tower

It's actually in the video after the anti-terrorist's intro i believe, but you are correct I didn't. I'll look it up. It's been a few years since I read the book.... I think I lent it out and never got it back. Wow that was 10 yrs ago! Anyway.

Would that be the book by the author you listed in your first post, Dr Scheibner?

[Tower]

Here!!!!!

http://www.worldvision.org/content.n...-we-help-water


"Health: Contaminated water and poor sanitation are factors in 80 percent of all disease in the developing world."


And scene.......

I'll get the info...

[photon]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Doesn't autism predate vaccinations?

It did, and the rates of autism didn't decrease when the vaccine they were saying was linked with autism stopped being used.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Would that be the book by the author you listed in your first post, Dr Scheibner?

No it was a blue book... Only 200 pages or so. Can't remember the title.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by photon

It did, and the rates of autism didn't decrease when the vaccine they were saying was linked with autism stopped being used.

It sure did increase and still is!

[Bobblehead]

Kind of an interesting set of Canadian statistics on this page, comparing rates of disease in the 5 years before immunizations were available versus present day.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/...p01-02-eng.php

[photon]

Originally Posted by Tower

It sure did increase and still is!

That's what I said, they didn't decrease. If you say x causes autism, then stop using x, and the rates of autism don't decrease (all else being equal), you were wrong about x.

Meanwhile children die because they aren't vaccinated.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by photon

That's what I said, they didn't decrease. If you say x causes autism, then stop using x, and the rates of autism don't decrease (all else being equal), you were wrong about x.

Meanwhile children die because they aren't vaccinated.

Pardon me. I read it too quickly.


So, a 2 month baby (that has no immune system, new born babies get their antibodies from the mothers breast milk) gets the same amount as a 200 lbs man. Chemicals and all. Does that make sense? Mercury is an agent used in vaccines. There is a reason mercury is not in a multivitamin.

[photon]

So by that logic we should not eat salt because it contains a poisonous gas and an explosive metal?

I would rather have my unborn baby have autisim as opposed to dying from a preventable death.

I'm with Rath, the benefits outweigh risks.

I just had a customer today ask if I had any ultrasounds for my pregnancy. I said "Yes". She then says "Well, you know...that causes speech impediments and delays in your child."
I said something along the lines of: there's always people that say something bad about something...
And she looks at me all serious like and says: "Well I read it, so it must be true"
Why would anyone say that to someone who was expecting???? Even if it does turn out to be true??? How rude!

[Bobblehead]

Thiomersal was removed from all vaccines as a precautionary measure.

The scientific consensus—including scientific and medical bodies such as the Institute of Medicine and World Health Organizationas well as governmental agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration and the CDC—rejects any role for thiomersal in autism or other neurodevelopmental disorders. Multiple lines of scientific evidence have been cited to support this conclusion: for example, the clinical symptoms of mercury poisoning differ significantly from those of autism. Most conclusively, eight major studies (as of 2008) examined the effect of reductions or removal of thiomersal from vaccines. All eight demonstrated that autism rates failed to decline despite removal of thiomersal, arguing strongly against a causative role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy

(wiki has links to the source studies, in case you don't trust the synopsis provided)

[LChoy]

Ever since the world wide scare over vaccines, vaccination rates have dropped in in North America and Europe. As a result, vaccine prevented illness has increased accordingly. This is something that we track and monitor and establish correlations. It's not a conspiracy that cases of mumps, measles, whooping cough, are suddenly going up, especially in non vaccinated communities.
Remember last years big health issues with the Mumps epidemic? Well, after it was over and you look at the epi data, the areas that are largely vaccinated fared much better than the non vaccinated communities. Now these non vaccination communities are just the same as us. They have proper drinking water, sanitation facilities, modern conveniences, yet they have a much higher rate in vaccine preventative diseases?
Also, for those that believe vaccines are a crock, what would you do if you were bitten by a bat? There was a case last year where a man died from Rabies. The only known treatment for rabies is to take the rabies shot, which is essentially a rabies vaccine. The theory is that your body immune system learns to deal with the weaken virus from the vaccine, before the real virus works it's way up from your nerves and into your CNS.

While I agree that pharmaceutical companies don't have the best reputation (and some of them deservingly), even if they were all in it for the profit only, the sheer amount of money that could be made if a cure for HIV, Cancer, and all the other serious diseases we are trying to cure was discovered would be tremendous. With US drug patent laws, that company could have a 10 year exclusive patent on that drug, before a generic brand could be made instead. Much more than just continuing treatments

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Tower

Here!!!!!

http://www.worldvision.org/content.n...-we-help-water


"Health: Contaminated water and poor sanitation are factors in 80 percent of all disease in the developing world."


And scene.......

I'll get the info...

What about the other 20%, chief? Taking a shower after screwing someone with HIV won't make it go away.

I think its true that public health is responsible for the elimination of the vast majority of infectious disease. Heck, at this point, only condoms/abstinence/monogamy are the only effective means to prevent HIV infection.

However, you still have the danger of mother-to-child transmission. Something that can only be prevented by an anti-retroviral cocktail. Scientists are also working around the clock to develop a therapeutic vaccine for those already with the virus. I know, I've had the opportunity to talk face-to-face with some of them.

Vaccination is not responsible for the vast decrease in TB infections. We realized that crowded conditions with no quarantine were the primary vector for the disease. However, the check against diseases like diptheria has almost certainly been accomplished by good social vaccination programs.

The problem with your perspective, indeed all conspiracy theorists, is that it assumes someone, somewhere, has total knowledge. The "Queen" as you put it.

You have to realize this is insane. Human health is driven by so many determinants, both evolutionary and cultural, it is impossible for us to predict what the absolute social impact of a vaccination will have on every individual.

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by Tower

So, a 2 month baby (that has no immune system, new born babies get their antibodies from the mothers breast milk) gets the same amount as a 200 lbs man.

Gaahhhh! Wrong again

Development of the Immune Response

Normal infants have the capability to develop responses to antigens at birth. Infants also start life with some immunoglobulin antibodies acquired from the mother. These antibodies cross the placental barrier, but not all types are transmitted equally. In particular, infants start with antibodies to viruses and gram-positive organisms, but not to gram-negative organisms. Gram is the name of a stain that distinguishes broad classes of bacteria. Gram-negative organisms are responsible for many diseases, including gonorrhea, pertussis (whooping cough), salmonella poisoning, and cholera. Escherichia coli (E. coli) is another common gram-negative organism.

Immunoglobulin antibodies are divided into five classes. The capacity of the body to produce each immunoglobulin varies with age. Newborn babies (premature and full-term) begin to synthesize antibodies at an increased rate soon after birth in response to antigenic stimulation of their new environment. At about six days after birth the serum concentration of specific antibodies rises sharply, and this rise continues until adult levels are achieved by approximately the end of the first year. Maternal immunity gradually disappears during the first six to eight months of life. A concentrated level of antibodies is reached and maintained by seven to eight years of age.
http://www.answers.com/topic/immune-system-development
(First source from google, but I can find a more scholarly one or reference my immunology books if you like)

This is why the 1st vaccinations start at 2 months, against common childhood illness caused by gram + and viruses. The heavier and more complex vaccinations occur later in life

Also, all drugs are required to have a list of ingredients for the public to see. You can go to Merck or any drug company website, and find the drug information data that is required for all drugs to be licensed. This includes Thiomersal. This also includes dosage information. With basic research skills, you can read that the dosage for a child and a 200lb man are different

[peter12]

I'd also like to point out that the number one killer of humanity ever, malaria, was only checked by effective antimalarial pharmaceuticals. These are responsible for saving millions of lives every year.

[LChoy]

Well....DEET was also instrumental for reducing malaria
But good point =)