Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Eric Roy, a defenceman with the Brandon Wheat Kings

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-69/

I'd like this pick in the third round. It sounds like he has the skills, it's just a matter of following a learning curve.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I'll take the 6'4" goalie on a team that wasn't expected to be very good over a 6'0" goalie on a good team any day of the week.

No kidding. Now I'll come out and say I've never watched either goalie play, other than some highlights of Gillies, but how can Fucale be ranked so high if his stats are so mediocre and he played on a powerhouse team? .909 and 2.35 and he is the best goalie in the draft supposedly and he played on a team with the best 2 draft players. I don't get it, unless Halifax played even less defense than the Flames, I simply don't get why this guy is rated so highly.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

No kidding. Now I'll come out and say I've never watched either goalie play, other than some highlights of Gillies, but how can Fucale be ranked so high if his stats are so mediocre and he played on a powerhouse team? .909 and 2.35 and he is the best goalie in the draft supposedly and he played on a team with the best 2 draft players. I don't get it, unless Halifax played even less defense than the Flames, I simply don't get why this guy is rated so highly.

Because scouts don't rank players based on stats. And junior goalie stats don't resemble pro stats. Guess what Patrick Roy's GAA was in his draft year? 4.44. Stats don't mean much a lot of the time, especially without context.

[Dorkmaster]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

No kidding. Now I'll come out and say I've never watched either goalie play, other than some highlights of Gillies, but how can Fucale be ranked so high if his stats are so mediocre and he played on a powerhouse team? .909 and 2.35 and he is the best goalie in the draft supposedly and he played on a team with the best 2 draft players. I don't get it, unless Halifax played even less defense than the Flames, I simply don't get why this guy is rated so highly.

Because scouting is all about translating their actual skills and not their stats. His technique and athleticism must be outstanding. You also forgot to factor in the fact that Halifax is able to be offensive and gamble because they have a strong goalie to back them up if there are counter attacks.


There could be plenty of reasons why he's highly rated. Stats is not one of the ways to judge a player.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

Because scouting is all about translating their actual skills and not their stats. His technique and athleticism must be outstanding. You also forgot to factor in the fact that Halifax is able to be offensive and gamble because they have a strong goalie to back them up if there are counter attacks.


There could be plenty of reasons why he's highly rated. Stats is not one of the ways to judge a player.

Meh..I think it is definitely one of the ways.

[Commandant]

Zach Sanford, a Left Wing in a smaller league.... ala Mark Jankowski last year.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...ble-mention-1/

[Canada 02]

Calgary Flames draft philosophy; video with Feaster, Weisbrod and Button

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...1325&id=260475

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Calgary Flames draft philosophy; video with Feaster, Weisbrod and Button

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...1325&id=260475

Good to see that Feaster realises that drafting for need is not the way to go.

Also Weisbrod saying that if the players on the flames list are close, then size wins out. At least thats what i thought he said.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Good to see that Feaster realises that drafting for need is not the way to go.

Also Weisbrod saying that if the players on the flames list are close, then size wins out. At least thats what i thought he said.

That is more or less what he said. Basically said if all things are equal size comes into play

[Fire]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Good to see that Feaster realises that drafting for need is not the way to go.

Also Weisbrod saying that if the players on the flames list are close, then size wins out. At least thats what i thought he said.

I thought he meant that if they have already drafted smaller players then later on in the draft they would lean toward the bigger guy even though technically they have a smaller guy ahead of him on their list. It could work in reverse as well.

I assume it would work for positions as well. If they drafted two forwards with the #6 and #22 pick then they might select a D-man with the #28 even if a forward is one spot higher on their list. Teams say BPA but no team will select all forwards or all defensemen.

[dammage79]

Alrighty. Final Draft day preference list for each pick.

Pick 6:
1. Nichushkin
2. Lindholm
3. Monahan

Pick 22:
1. Zykov
2. Lazar
3. Morrisey

Pick 28:
1. Hartman
2. Mueller
3. Burakovsky

Outside of first round personal favorites:
Yakimov
Nick Sorenson
Mitch Wheaton
Connor Hurley (Long term project but might be worth the wait)
Slepyshev

And lastly, players worth trading up for with the 22nd pick.

1. Alex Wennberg
2. Bo Horvat
3. Rasmus Ristolainen

I really do think if Nichushkin falls past Carolina the Flames will feel it's a no brainer on who they pick.

After that if they're really high on one of the Centers available 10-16 the Flames will try to trade up in a crazy maneuver like taking DiPietro's contract and buying it out to get the 15th. Something like that anyways.

If Nichushkin is gone I really really hope Lindholm dons the Flames Jersey. Still my favorite center out of the Monahan/Lindholm/Horvat group.

[PlayfulGenius]

It's not clear what Weisbrod meant there...those were not well formulated sentences, unfortunately

[3 Justin 3]

I'd like to pick Yakimov so in 5 years when he is better than Yakupov we can mock Oiler fans.

Also I am 99% sure the Flames won't pick Nichushkin. Weisbrod says when they look for a player they want to be proud that player wheres the Flaming C, that he embodies the Calgary Flames. In no way does Nichushkin fit this sentiment at all, he is a selfish player who prioritizes himself as #1. No way do the Flames pick him.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Calgary Flames draft philosophy; video with Feaster, Weisbrod and Button

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...1325&id=260475

Button spitting up a big batch of cow patties. What a mouthful of nothing.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Alrighty. Final Draft day preference list for each pick.

Pick 6:
1. Nichushkin
2. Lindholm
3. Monahan

Pick 22:
1. Zykov
2. Lazar
3. Morrisey

Pick 28:
1. Hartman
2. Mueller
3. Burakovsky

Outside of first round personal favorites:
Yakimov
Nick Sorenson
Mitch Wheaton
Connor Hurley (Long term project but might be worth the wait)
Slepyshev

And lastly, players worth trading up for with the 22nd pick.

1. Alex Wennberg
2. Bo Horvat
3. Rasmus Ristolainen

I really do think if Nichushkin falls past Carolina the Flames will feel it's a no brainer on who they pick.

After that if they're really high on one of the Centers available 10-16 the Flames will try to trade up in a crazy maneuver like taking DiPietro's contract and buying it out to get the 15th. Something like that anyways.

If Nichushkin is gone I really really hope Lindholm dons the Flames Jersey. Still my favorite center out of the Monahan/Lindholm/Horvat group.

If Nichushkin is not available for Carolina I imagine Edmonton might try trade up into fifth spot giving Carolina a player and the 7th spot. They are high on Monahan and probably will try catch the Flames off guard. There are a lot of possibilities that could surprise come draft time. I just hope we are aggressive enough to stay a step ahead; Although I would be fine with Lindholm it just doesn't give us a guy that's going to step in right and play for us right away.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

It's not clear what Weisbrod meant there...those were not well formulated sentences, unfortunately

I think I understood what he said.

In simplest terms: say they draft the BPA and he's 5'9", then their next pick comes along and the BPA is once again a small player, they're going to opt for a bigger player who is close to the top of their list instead of taking another small guy.

It's nice to hear IMO. We can't have a team of Johnny Gaudreau's. No matter how talented, it's just not feasible in today's size-oriented NHL.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I'd like to pick Yakimov so in 5 years when he is better than Yakupov we can mock Oiler fans.

Also I am 99% sure the Flames won't pick Nichushkin. Weisbrod says when they look for a player they want to be proud that player wheres the Flaming C, that he embodies the Calgary Flames. In no way does Nichushkin fit this sentiment at all, he is a selfish player who prioritizes himself as #1. No way do the Flames pick him.

Wait... so how do you know this? Have you met the guy? Are you basing that on some loosely translated quotes, or is this a generalization based on his nationality? If so, don't you think that's a little unfair? I hope you realize that the only way he was able to get out of his KHL contract was on the condition that he would be playing in the NHL. If not, he is apparently obligated to return. So him saying 'if it doesn't happen, i'm going back' may in fact mean that he has to, not that he wants to bolt, or doesn't care. Just saying..

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Wait... so how do you know this? Have you met the guy? Are you basing that on some loosely translated quotes, or is this a generalization based on his nationality? If so, don't you think that's a little unfair? I hope you realize that the only way he was able to get out of his KHL contract was on the condition that he would be playing in the NHL. If not, he is apparently obligated to return. So him saying 'if it doesn't happen, i'm going back' may in fact mean that he has to, not that he wants to bolt, or doesn't care. Just saying..

Read the countless articles on him or watch the multiple videos on him. Then tell me you don't get the same vibe.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Read the countless articles on him or watch the multiple videos on him. Then tell me you don't get the same vibe.

I don't get the same vibe at all.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

I'd like to pick Yakimov so in 5 years when he is better than Yakupov we can mock Oiler fans.

Also I am 99% sure the Flames won't pick Nichushkin. Weisbrod says when they look for a player they want to be proud that player wheres the Flaming C, that he embodies the Calgary Flames. In no way does Nichushkin fit this sentiment at all, he is a selfish player who prioritizes himself as #1. No way do the Flames pick him.

Our management says a whole lot of crap, most of which they proceed to contradict with their actions. I wouldn't bother listening to their blather.