Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[neo45]

I'm not sure what the protocol is on posting inside info, but....

The Flames like Barkov and Monahan for their first pick, in that order. They might trade up to get Barkov, and they spent one on one time with both kids at the combine

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by neo45

I'm not sure what the protocol is on posting inside info, but....

The Flames like Barkov and Monahan for their first pick, in that order. They might trade up to get Barkov, and they spent one on one time with both kids at the combine

Makes sense that they like both. Even if Monahan is their 2nd chioce there is still a chance they have to trade up to #5 to get him. I presume for Barkov they would have to trade up to #4.

[Roof-Daddy]

I really hope Feaster works to collect some more picks not only in this draft but maybe start hording picks for 2014 as well.

Columbus has openly stated that they're willing to move picks for roster players:

To Columbus: Mike Cammalleri
To Calgary: 2013 1st (Kings - 27th Overall), 2014 2nd

Is it possible Roy and Sakic would be interested in bringing their old team mate Tanguay to Colorado?

To Colorado: Alex Tanguay
To Calgary: 2013 3rd (63rd Overall), 2014 2nd

Then look to see if Montreal has any interest in swapping a two of their three seconds to move up.

To Montreal: 2013 1st (Penguins - 28th Overall)
To Calgary: Two 2013 2nd's (Flames - 36th Overall, Habs - 55th Overall)


Something like that would be outstanding, Flames would then have the following picks at the 2013 draft:

1. 1st Rd - 6th Overall (Flames)
2. 1st Rd - 22nd Overall (Blues)
3. 1st Rd - 27th Overall (Kings)
4. 2nd Rd - 36th Overall (Flames)
5. 2nd Rd - 55th Overall (Habs)
6. 3rd Rd - 63rd Overall (Avs)
7. 3rd Rd - 67th Overall (Flames)
8. 4th Rd - 97th Overall (Flames)
9. 5th Rd - 135th Overall (Jackets)
10. 6th Rd - 157th Overall (Flames)
11. 7th Rd - 187th Overall (Flames)
12. 7th Rd - 198th Overall (Sens)

It's a numbers game, and we'd likely strike some gold with 12 picks in this draft, especially with 3 picks in the first 27, 5 picks in the first 55 and 7 picks in the first 67.

Plus then we'd be already working towards the 2014 draft with the following 9 picks in the fold:

1. 1st Rd - Flames
2. 2nd Rd - Flames
3. 2nd Rd - Avs
4. 2nd Rd - Jackets
5. 3rd Rd - Flames
6. 4th Rd - Flames
7. 5th Rd - Flames
8. 6th Rd - Flames
9. 7th Rd - Flames


Getting to the cap floor next season might be a challenge (especially with Kipper likely to retire), but that might be another way to acquire more 2014 picks by taking on some questionable contracts. Not long term, franchise destructing contracts, but contracts with 1-3 years left on them that teams will be looking to move in order to gain breathing room from Cap constraints, but are not nasty enough to use a compliance buy out on.....guys like Ryan Malone, Dany Heatley, Joel Ward, Tomas Kaberle, Martin Havlat, etc...

[bubbsy]

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[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Something like that would be outstanding, Flames would then have the following picks at the 2013 draft:

1. 1st Rd - 6th Overall (Flames)
2. 1st Rd - 22nd Overall (Blues)
3. 1st Rd - 27th Overall (Kings)
4. 2nd Rd - 36th Overall (Flames)
5. 2nd Rd - 55th Overall (Habs)
6. 3rd Rd - 63rd Overall (Avs)
7. 3rd Rd - 67th Overall (Flames)
8. 4th Rd - 97th Overall (Flames)
9. 5th Rd - 135th Overall (Jackets)
10. 6th Rd - 157th Overall (Flames)
11. 7th Rd - 187th Overall (Flames)
12. 7th Rd - 198th Overall (Sens)

While I am definitely a fan of restocking the cupboards, I am not sure the Flames system would really benifit from a shotgun approach to drafting that many kids in the same year.

I also think that drafting for quality over quantity is the way to go in this draft. If we end up with 4 first round draft picks, then I would rather draft 4 players in the first round. If any trade were to go down from that, I would rather trade 2 of the 4 first round picks to get a second pick in the top 10.

I also get the feeling that Cammalleri is being undervalued in this trade. After watching Regehr go for two second round picks at the deadline (after his poor time in Buffalo), I would hope that Cammi should be worth significantly more than Regehr, which is not represented by a late-first round pick and a second. If Cammi isn't worth more than that at the draft then I would rather sit on his contract until the next deadline and go for a big rental trade and start stocking up on 2014 first round picks.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by neo45

I'm not sure what the protocol is on posting inside info, but....

The Flames like Barkov and Monahan for their first pick, in that order. They might trade up to get Barkov, and they spent one on one time with both kids at the combine

RIP my #28 Lindholm jersey

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by nik-

RIP my #28 Lindholm jersey

Don't get rid of it just yet. Lots of poker left to be played.

He may be consolation prize at the very least if the Flames decide to keep all their picks.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Wolven

While I am definitely a fan of restocking the cupboards, I am not sure the Flames system would really benifit from a shotgun approach to drafting that many kids in the same year.

I dunno, rebuilding teams usually benefit from throwing as much mud at the wall as possible. Teams like Chicago and Los Angeles for example, had multiple drafts where they had picks in the double digits.

Originally Posted by Wolven

I also think that drafting for quality over quantity is the way to go in this draft. If we end up with 4 first round draft picks, then I would rather draft 4 players in the first round. If any trade were to go down from that, I would rather trade 2 of the 4 first round picks to get a second pick in the top 10.

I'd be alright with that as well, we'd certainly have options.

Originally Posted by Wolven

I also get the feeling that Cammalleri is being undervalued in this trade. After watching Regehr go for two second round picks at the deadline (after his poor time in Buffalo), I would hope that Cammi should be worth significantly more than Regehr, which is not represented by a late-first round pick and a second. If Cammi isn't worth more than that at the draft then I would rather sit on his contract until the next deadline and go for a big rental trade and start stocking up on 2014 first round picks.

Yeah, he might fetch more if dealt....especially to a team attempting to win now, with lots of cap space and multiple first round picks....like Columbus.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by nik-

RIP my #28 Lindholm jersey

I'm sure if both are gone by the time we pick then he'll be the guy we take. They know that we need a potential top line center and they failed with the Richards and ROR fiasco's. I have no doubt a center will be taken @ 6 or if they move up.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by timbit

Having Gaudreau, Sven and Petan as 3 of the organization's top 5 forward prospects would certainly be going against traditional logic, relating to size. Hard to believe that all 3 would be top 6 forwards on a Cup contender.

I'd be perfectly ok with Martin St Louis, Paul Kariya and Patrick Kane in the Top Six.. If the other 3 have some size, we're good to go!!

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I'd be perfectly ok with Martin St Louis, Paul Kariya and Patrick Kane in the Top Six.. If the other 3 have some size, we're good to go!!

Cammy, Hudler, Gaudreau, Baertschi, Byron, Brodie, Cundari... We have more than enough undersized skill guys on the roster and in the pipeline. I hope we avoid Domi & Petan & draft some guys with skill AND size. There are plenty enough options in the 1st round.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Just so everyone knows.

The PHX deal in 2008 (#28 for #35 and 39) had PHX taking Tikhonov for O'Dell and Deschamps. Not exactly a win for either team.

This draft appears to be significantly deeper than 2008, so if a team really wants to move up a few spots and have picks to spare, can see them doing it.

[dammage79]

Regardless of what happens with the other two first round picks, getting Barkov on draft day is a major major win in my books.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Makes sense that they like both. Even if Monahan is their 2nd chioce there is still a chance they have to trade up to #5 to get him. I presume for Barkov they would have to trade up to #4.

Dream scenario

Jones/McKinnon go 1-2
TB picks Nichushkin
Nash loves Lindholm and he goes at #4
Carolina can't pass up Drouin at 5
We get our pick of Barkov and Monahan at 6

Unlikely, but within the realm of possibility based on the various chatter we've been hearing.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Dream scenario

Jones/McKinnon go 1-2
TB picks Nichushkin
Nash loves Lindholm and he goes at #4
Carolina can't pass up Drouin at 5
We get our pick of Barkov and Monahan at 6

Unlikely, but within the realm of possibility based on the various chatter we've been hearing.

Barkov and Drouin over Monahan any day of the week.

If Nichushkin and Lindholm somehow go top 4 I'll be very very happy.

[Canada 02]

Paul Fenton gave the Preds top 5 (in no particular order) as Jones, Mackinnon, Barkov, Drouin and Lindholm
David Poile said the top 3 forwards were (in no particular order) Mackinnon, Barkov, and Drouin, but then back tracked later.

I'd guess they end up with Barkov, unless the Russian goes to TB

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Roger Millions‏@RogMillions1m
#Flames have real interest in Portland forward Nic Petan. 2nd interview happening in Cgy this week. 46G 74A this season as 18 yr. old

Roger Millions‏@RogMillions1m
Petan with tremendous skating and playmaking. Thought you should know he's a real possibility.

As usual Rogers is late with news...6 weeks late

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=2769

[Trojan97]

So what do we take from this Petan information when Feaster spoke of the following at the recent STH meeting...

"Looking forward to the draft, they have a 5-9 player that is somewhat high on their draft list, but if he’s build solidly like Marty St. Louis, then that it shouldn’t be a problem. If the player is short and not built solidly like that they would prefer going with someone bigger."

Is Petan really someone with a St.Louis-esque frame? I don't see it. Taking gambles on shrimps like Gaudreau in the mid rounds is fine but it seems crazy to take such a big gamble early this year IMO.

**Edit- this isn't to say I can't fathom the Flames taking him, it would just be another example of Feaster saying one thing and doing another**

[the_only_turek_fan]

Forget about Barkov, I am worried that Carolina will take Monahan.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

So what do we take from this Petan information when Feaster spoke of the following at the recent STH meeting...

"Looking forward to the draft, they have a 5-9 player that is somewhat high on their draft list, but if he’s build solidly like Marty St. Louis, then that it shouldn’t be a problem. If the player is short and not built solidly like that they would prefer going with someone bigger."

Is Petan really someone with a St.Louis-esque frame? I don't see it. Taking gambles on shrimps like Gaudreau in the mid rounds is fine but it seems crazy to take such a big gamble early this year IMO.

**Edit- this isn't to say I can't fathom the Flames taking him, it would just be another example of Feaster saying one thing and doing another**

To be fair Martin St. Louis didn't look at 18 like he does today. He put in a lot of hard work on his body especially his legs.