Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Look at the Euro class outside of Lindholm/Barkov/Nichushkin and tell me that you are excited about these prospects, the exception maybe Ristolainen and Zykov. If guys like Horvat, Domi are gone by 22 and there is a plethora of Euros there, I wouldn't blame the Flames for picking Fucale (if he's still there) or trading down to get more picks.

Wennberg, Hagg and Burakowsky all intrigue me. Wennberg sounds like the kind of prospect I'd be hoping for if we were picking in the teens.

Your anti-Euro sentiment looks quite unfounded.

[dammage79]

If anything the Euros in this draft are better than some of the last few drafts. De La rose, Nick Sorenson ,Mirco Mueller, Lehkonen are all very good prospects. On top of what FDW mentioned. There's going to be a ton of Euros making this draft one of the deepest in a long time.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Wennberg, Hagg and Burakowsky all intrigue me. Wennberg sounds like the kind of prospect I'd be hoping for if we were picking in the teens.

Your anti-Euro sentiment looks quite unfounded.

I like Bjorkstrand, Mueller, Sorensen and Rose as well. And I am fairly anti Euro

[dammage79]

You could even go further into the draft and guys like Slepyshev, Buchenevich, Yakimov, Linus Arnesson and still come away with a solid pick if you went with a Euro.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Wennberg, Hagg and Burakowsky all intrigue me. Wennberg sounds like the kind of prospect I'd be hoping for if we were picking in the teens.

Your anti-Euro sentiment looks quite unfounded.

So now I've gone from anti-Western Canadian to anti European, despite listing 5 Euro prospects of interest - who do I like?

Hagg - they say they want to see more passion - red flag

Wenneberg/Burakowsy - maybe living in the lower mainland too long has made me leery of Swedes as I've seen first hand when a team has too much Euro content. Nothing listed about these Swedes gives me confidence they have the requisite grit to play the NA style. Out here we've seen Rodin pack up and go back to the SEL. If any Swede I'd say Jacob de la Rosa given size and style of play.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by moon

The Western Canadian stuff is garbage...

People can rip Sutter all they want on his drafting but the Western Canadian thing is way overblown...

Not really that overblown. 42% of all players drafted under his watch were WHL players. 25 of 40 CHL players drafted under his watch were WHL players.

You can argue if this was a problem or a detriment to the team and it's prospect pool or not. But the preference/predisposition is clearly there in black and white.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Not really that overblown. 42% of all players drafted under his watch were WHL players. 25 of 40 CHL players drafted under his watch were WHL players.

You can argue if this was a problem or a detriment to the team and it's prospect pool or not. But the preference/predisposition is clearly there in black and white.

I don't think anyone is arguing that he didn't like Western Canadian kids but it wasn't like they were failing while others were succeeding or he was reaching for WHL guys when there were clearly better guys available. The drafting overall was the issue not specifically the preference for Western Canadian picks. Its clearly there in black and white.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Not really that overblown. 42% of all players drafted under his watch were WHL players. 25 of 40 CHL players drafted under his watch were WHL players.

You can argue if this was a problem or a detriment to the team and it's prospect pool or not. But the preference/predisposition is clearly there in black and white.

Again I wish he only took WHL players at time, like if he would have taken Shea Weber instead of Tim Ramholt.

[TurnedTheCorner]

I don't think black and white means what you think it means.

But yes, the question of whether the preference for WHL picks was an issue is what is subject to interpretation and debate. And I agree with, you the overall drafting during Sutter's tenure was terrible, or at the very least below average.

The preference the Flames had for drafting players from the WHL during Sutter's tenure is not. The numbers show that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

I don't think black and white means what you think it means.

But yes, the question of whether the preference for WHL picks was an issue is what is subject to interpretation and debate.

The preference the Flames had for drafting players from the WHL during Sutter's tenure is not. The numbers show that.

I think it does.

Considering two of the biggest complaints and misses (Pelech and Nemisz) are not Western kids at all and one of the biggest regrets over missing out on a guy was Ramholt and Webber, it is pretty tough to argue that Western preference was the problem for the club.

[TurnedTheCorner]

That's fair.

But there was a Western preference.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

That's fair.

But there was a Western preference.

Is there any GM that didn't have a preference? Craig Button drafted a ton of NCAA (Brian McConnell, 2nd round?) and Euro leagues (Tomi Maki, etc). Jay Feaster (Weisbrod) NCAA. Etc.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Is there any GM that didn't have a preference? Craig Button drafted a ton of NCAA (Brian McConnell, 2nd round?) and Euro leagues (Tomi Maki, etc). Jay Feaster (Weisbrod) NCAA. Etc.

I don't know. I would imagine that most GMs over the course of league history have had ares of preference or familiarity that would inform there drafting tendencies. I just know that Darryl's was the WHL. And again, I am not stating that was necessarily a problem.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

I don't know. I would imagine that most GMs over the course of league history have had ares of preference or familiarity that would inform there drafting tendencies. I just know that Darryl's was the WHL. And again, I am not stating that was necessarily a problem.

Whats funny is all this talk of "improved drafting" when the guys picked were Sven (WHL), Max Reinhart (WHL), Roman Horak (WHL), TJ Brodie (OHL) and prospects Brosseiet (WHL), Wotherspoon (WHL), Gillis (NCAA) and JohnnyG (NCAA)...

still mostly WHL

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Is there any GM that didn't have a preference? Craig Button drafted a ton of NCAA (Brian McConnell, 2nd round?) and Euro leagues (Tomi Maki, etc). Jay Feaster (Weisbrod) NCAA. Etc.

Just out of curiousity I decided to look up where Feaster drafted from.

12 picks total:
4 USHL (3 went to NCAA & 1 to OHL)
1 Canadian Prep School (1 went to NCAA)
5 WHL
1 Finish Jr.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

A little off topic, but I just want to throw in here that Kris Chucko was a good pick.

I had the chance to watch him a bunch in Abby here and you could tell he had excellent skill and infinite work ethic. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd be a 3rd line energy guy who could chip in the odd goal if it weren't for all those head injuries.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Just out of curiousity I decided to look up where Feaster drafted from.

12 picks total:
4 USHL (3 went to NCAA & 1 to OHL)
1 Canadian Prep School (1 went to NCAA)
5 WHL
1 Finish Jr.
1 QJMHL

Fixed, your total only came to 11, I added in the QJMHLer (Culkin)

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Fixed, your total only came to 11, I added in the QJMHLer (Culkin)

Oops lol

[getbak]

It's now finally official: 6, 22, and 28 for the Flames' first rounders.

[djsFlames]

Well since this draft is being compared to 2003, here's hoping that #6 is our Tomas Vanek (5), #22 our Ryan Getzlaf (19) and #28 our Corey Perry (28).