Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Cheerio]

So which picks do we have in this draft?
6, 22 (STL), 27-30 (PIT), 67, 97, 135 (CBJ), 157, 187, and 198 (OTT) is how I have interpreted it. But is pick 187 in the air with the unknown conditions in the Jaffray MacMillan trade?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

And they have far more ammo than anything the Flames could even try to muster in order to move up.

Myers, Vanek, Gerbe, Ennis, Stafford, Miller... take your pick Colorado/Florida/Tampa.

You think it would be hard to muster up a Gerbe, Ennis or Stafford? Vanek and Miller make big cake as does Myers and he doesn't have near the same value as he did as a rookie. You need to realize that teams like Colorado,Florida and Tampa can't/won't take on big contracts.

Then of course add the fact the 8th pick is crap this year compared to the 6th.

Calgary is in a better position if Feaster works it.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

And they have far more ammo than anything the Flames could even try to muster in order to move up.

Myers, Vanek, Gerbe, Ennis, Stafford, Miller... take your pick Colorado/Florida/Tampa.

Carolina should be all over Myers.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I am a bit worried about picking Lindholm now. He is a streaky player and tends to prioritize passing over shooting ala Tangauy. I think this would drive people mad. He also doesn't have as good a shot as Tangs it is only average. Infact, he only had 3 even strength goals(yikes). His sh% was a bit high while his shot totals low which signals that what he did is probably unsustainable.
He didn't really catch fire till he was moved to wing and put on a line with Calle Jarnkrok so there is questions whether he can actually produce as a center, produce on his own and be more consistent(he went cold the last half of the season).

Monahan on the other hand was consistent all year had a more even split of ES goals and did it while having no one decent to play with on his team. His NHLE was 33 to Lindholms 40 but I feel like if he had a guy like Jarnkrok on his line + didn't have the added responsibilities of playing center his numbers would have been similar. Add in Monahans intangibles like size and leadership and I now beileve he is the guy.

It's a completely different measuring stick looking at an 18 year-old in a top men's league compared to junior. You're picking at perceived deficiencies like going cold or being streaky when it's expected that almost anyone his age would be colder and streakier while just getting a foothold at that level of play. Filip Forsberg who was drafted 11th overall last year has been playing in the league below Lindholm. Nichushkin had 6 points in 18 games in the KHL this past season. Lindholm started the season as the 13th forward and ended up 3rd on his team in scoring. I'm sure the scouts analyse the stats as a part of coming up with their rankings so they wouldn't rank him as highly if these things you're looking at are really such red flags.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by T@T

Seriously? that's freakin insane

Give or take one since I counted manually. But that also doesn't include any picks that have been traded multiple times.

Let me recount:

2012: 11 different picks were traded, 4 of those picks were traded twice, 2 more were traded 3 times and 1 other traded 4 times. So that makes 22 times a 2012 second round pick was traded.

2011: 17 different picks were traded, 4 of them were traded twice, 1 other traded 3 times. So that makes 22 times that a 2011 second round pick was traded.

2010: 17 different picks were traded, 6 of those were traded twice, 2 more were traded 3 times and 1 other traded 4 times. So that makes 30 times a 2010 second round pick was traded.

2009: 13 different picks were traded, 3 of those were traded twice and 3 others traded 3 times. So that makes 22 times a 2009 second round pick was traded.

2008: 17 different picks were traded, 6 of those were traded twice and 1 other was traded 3 times. So that makes 25 times a 2008 second round pick was traded.

So including compensation picks there were 154 seconds round selections on 121 occasions a second round pick was used in a trade from '08 to '12.

And so far in 2013, 10 picks have been dealt, none multiple times, but that number wll probably double at the draft.

[Commandant]

Marko Dano, a Slovakian who always comes up big internationally... gritty RW.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-53/

[moon]

Originally Posted by T@T

You think it would be hard to muster up a Gerbe, Ennis or Stafford? Vanek and Miller make big cake as does Myers and he doesn't have near the same value as he did as a rookie. You need to realize that teams like Colorado,Florida and Tampa can't/won't take on big contracts.

Then of course add the fact the 8th pick is crap this year compared to the 6th.

Calgary is in a better position if Feaster works it.

I think it is hard to muster up those guys since Calgary hasn't been able to do it over the past 5-6 years (and maybe longer).

Florida for one needs to add big contracts to help them get to the cap floor. Getting a guy like Myers whose cap hit is more than actual salary helps them all that much more.

Buffalo is in a much better spot to move up if they want and the only way Feaster can try to beat their offer is gutting the young assets we already have (Brodie, Baertschi, next years pick).

[Flames_F.T.W]

2 weeks ago I favoured Lindholm over Monahan, but have now officially switched camps. Monahan is big, great defensively and has a very high hockey IQ. Lindholm sounds awesome too, and may even have a slightly high ceiling, but I think it's the fact that Monahan possesses great leadership qualities (or so I've read) that give him an edge for me. Potential future captain material. From everything I've read, I'm almost positive Calgary has him ranked higher than Lindholm based on these observations. Either guy would be awesome at #6 though.

[rhino]

I guess Lindholm vs Monahan comes down to if you want a Forsberg type over a Toews type?? I think Monahan's performance and leadership that was shown on a very bad 67's team are the qualities the Flames are in need of.

[red sky]

Lindholm compares himself more to Giroux who is quite a bit different player than Forsberg.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Marko Dano, a Slovakian who always comes up big internationally... gritty RW.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-53/

I think it's been 17 years since the Flames drafted a Slovakian player (Petrovicky in the 9th round), unless I am mistaken. And he was from the WHL.

[dammage79]

Craig Button has released his final rankings today: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

RK Player Last Team DOB Pos. S Ht/Wt GP G A Pts +/-
1. Seth Jones 1 Portland (WHL) Oct. 3/94 D R 6'3/208 61 14 42 56 +46
2. Jonathan Drouin 2 Halifax (QMJHL) Mar. 27/95 LW L 5'11/185 49 41 64 105 +48
3. Nathan MacKinnon 3 Halifax (QMJHL) Sep. 1/95 C R 6'0/182 44 32 43 75 +40
4. Aleksander Barkov 4 Tappara (FIN) Sep. 2/95 C L 6'2/205 53 21 27 48 +18
5. Valeri Nichushkin 5 Chelijabinsk 2 (RUS) Mar. 4/95 LW L 6'4/196 41 15 8 23 +16
6. Sean Monahan 7 Ottawa (OHL) Oct. 12/94 C L 6'2/186 58 31 47 78 -18
7. Zachary Fucale 9 Halifax (QMJHL) May 28/95 G L 6'1/181 55 44 2.35 .909 2
8. Darnell Nurse 6 S. Ste. Marie (OHL) Feb. 4/95 D L 6'3/189 68 12 29 41 +15
9. Elias Lindholm 8 Brynas (SWE) Dec. 2/94 C R 5'11/181 48 11 19 30 +1
10. Max Domi 10 London (OHL) Mar. 2/95 C/LW L 5'9/193 64 39 48 87 +33
11. Nikita Zadorov 11 London (OHL) Apr. 15/95 D L 6'5/230 63 6 19 25 +33
12. Alexander Wennberg 13 Djurgardens (SWE) Sep. 22/95 C L 6'1/174 49 14 21 35 +10
13. Samuel Morin 32 Rimouski (QMJHL) Jul. 12/95 D L 6'7/200 46 4 12 16 +10
14. Hunter Shinkaruk 12 Medicine Hat (WHL) Oct. 13/94 C/RW L 5'11/174 64 37 49 86 -13
15. Josh Morrissey 15 Prince Albert (WHL) Mar. 28/95 D L 5'11/182 70 15 32 47 +14
16. Anthony Mantha 14 Val d'Or Sep. 16/94 LW L 6'4/190 67 50 39 89 +21
17. Nicolas Petan 27 Portland (WHL) Mar. 22/95 C L 5'9/163 71 46 74 120 +68
18. Morgan Klimchuk 17 Regina (WHL) Mar. 2/95 C/LW L 5'11/180 72 36 40 76 -1
19. Bo Horvat 19 London (OHL) May 4/95 C/LW L 6'0/200 67 33 28 61 +3
20. Adam Erne 16 Quebec (QMJHL) Apr. 20/95 LW L 6'1/195 68 28 44 72 +11
21. Frederik Gauthier 22 Rimouski (QMJHL) Apr. 26/95 C L 6'5/210 62 22 38 60 +22
22. Laurent Dauphin 26 Chicoutimi (QMJHL) Mar. 26/95 C L 6'0/167 62 25 37 62 0
23. Artturi Lehkonen 18 Kalpa (FIN) Jul. 4/95 LW L 5'10/163 45 14 16 30 +12
24. Madison Bowey 43 Kelowna (WHL) Apr. 22/95 D R 6'1/200 69 12 18 30 +41
25. Rasmus Ristolainen 20 TPS Turku (FIN) Oct. 27/94 D R 6'3/203 52 3 12 15 -7
26. Ryan Hartman 24 Plymouth (OHL) Sep. 20/94 C/RW R 5'11/187 56 23 37 60 +29
27. Kerby Rychel 21 Windsor (OHL) Oct. 7/94 LW L 6'1/200 68 40 47 87 -21
28. Jason Dickinson 23 Guelph (OHL) Jul. 4/95 LW L 6'1/179 66 18 29 47 +19
29. Emile Poirier 38 Gatineau (QMHJL) Dec. 4/94 LW L 6'1/183 65 32 38 70 0
30. Ryan Pulock 25 Brandon (WHL) Oct. 6/94 D R 6'0/211 61 14 31 45 -7
31. Steve Santini 47 USNTDP (USHL) Mar. 7/95 D R 6'2/207 50 0 15 15 -
32. Curtis Lazar 28 Edmonton (WHL) Feb. 2/95 C R 5'11/193 72 38 23 61 +25
33. Pavel Buchnevich 31 Cheropovets (KHL) Apr. 17/95 C/LW L 6'1/161 24 8 15 23 -2
34. JT Compher 29 USNTDP (USHL) Apr. 8/95 C R 5'11/184 44 15 28 43 -
35. Chris Bigras 52 Owen Sound (OHL) Feb. 22/95 D L 6'1/189 68 8 30 38 +67
36. Philippe Desrosiers 55 Rimouski (QMJHL) Aug. 16/95 G L 6'1/182 43 22 3.07 .900 1
37. Valentin Zykov 30 B. Comeau (QMJHL) May 15/95 RW R 6'0/210 67 40 35 75 +29
38. Ian McCoshen 37 Waterloo (USHL) Aug. 5/95 D L 6'2/207 52 11 31 42 +34
39. Dillon Heatherington 65 Swift Current (WHL) May 9/95 D L 6'3/196 71 4 23 27 +25
40. Mirco Mueller 33 Everett (WHL) Mar. 21/95 D L 6'3/184 63 6 25 31 -10
41. Jordan Subban 35 Belleville (OHL) Mar. 3/95 D R 5'9/175 68 15 36 51 +22
42. Ryan Fitzgerald 40 Valley Jr. (EJHL) Oct. 19/94 C L 5'9/168 26 14 16 30 -
43. Anthony Duclair 34 Quebec (QMJHL) Aug. 26/95 LW L 5'11/180 55 20 30 50 +23
44. Connor Hurley 42 Edina High (USHSW) Sep. 15/95 C L 6'1/172 31 20 32 52 -
45. Keaton Thompson 41 USNTDP (USHL) Sep. 4/95 D L 6'0/187 59 4 17 21 -
46. Zach Nastasiuk 49 Owen Sound (OHL) Mar. 30/95 RW R 6'1/191 62 20 20 40 +21
47. Shea Theodore 59 Seattle (WHL) Aug. 3/95 D L 6'2/182 71 19 31 50 -24
48. Robert Hagg 36 Modo (SWE) Feb. 8/95 D L 6'2/193 30 10 12 22 +6
49. Eric Comrie 44 Tri City (WHL) Jul. 6/95 G L 6'1/167 37 20 2.62 .915 2
50. Tristan Jarry 45 Edmonton (WHL) Apr. 29/95 G L 6'2/178 27 18 1.61 .936 6
51. Justin Bailey 46 Kitchener (OHL) Jul. 1/95 C/RW R 6'3/194 57 17 19 36 +22
52. Marc-Oliver Roy 51 Blainville (QMJHL) Nov. 5/94 C/LW L 6'0/175 65 29 38 67 +12
53. G. Paquin-Boudreau 53 B. Comeau (QMJHL) Feb. 21/95 LW L 5'11/167 67 22 41 63 +31
54. Yan Pavel Laplante - PEI (QMJHL) Apr. 23/95 C/LW L 6'0/178 18 5 8 13 +11
55. Oliver Bjorkstrand 63 Portand (WHL) Apr. 10/95 RW R 5'11/167 65 31 32 63 +38
56. Jimmy Lodge 48 Saginaw (OHL) Mar. 5/95 RW R 6'1/166 64 28 39 67 +4
57. Jacob De La Rose 50 Leksands (SWE) May 20/95 LW L 6'2/189 48 6 7 13 +9
58. Andre Burakowsky 39 Malmo (SWE) Feb. 9/95 LW L 6'1/178 43 4 7 11 -2
59. Greg Chase 60 Calgary (WHL) Jan. 1/95 C R 6'0/195 69 17 32 49 +11
60. Mitchell Wheaton 54 Kelowna (WHL) Feb. 6/95 D L 6'4/228 39 1 7 8 +20
61. Jusse Saros - HPK Jr. (FIN) Apr. 19/95 G L 5'10/178 37 - 1.86 .933 4
62. Wilhelm Westlund 56 Farjestad (SWE) Mar. 15/95 D L 6'0/184 37 3 15 18 +9
63. John Hayden - USNTDP (USHL) Feb. 14/95 RW R 6'2/210 53 17 17 34 -
64. Niklas Hansson 57 Rogle (SWE) Jan. 8/95 D R 6'0/175 41 3 20 23 +23
65. Nick Moutrey 70 Saginaw (OHL) Jun. 24/95 C/LW L 6'2/208 65 16 27 43 2
66. Jan Kostalek 71 Rimouski (QMJHL) Feb. 17/95 D R 6'1/181 48 5 13 18 +17
67. Sergey Tolchinsky 61 S. Ste. Marie (OHL) Feb. 3/95 RW L 5'7/152 62 26 25 51 +8
68. Nick Sorensen 67 Quebec (QMJHL) Oct. 23/94 RW R 6'1/168 46 20 27 47 +10
69. Taylor Cammarata 62 Waterloo (USHL) May 13/95 C/LW L 5'7/156 57 36 54 90 +37
70. Juuso Ikonen 68 Espoo (FIN) Jan. 3/95 RW R 5'9/169 57 13 13 26 +1
71. Gustav Olofsson 58 Green Bay (USHL) Jan. 8/95 D L 6'3/185 61 1 20 21 +11
72. Marko Dano 69 S. Bratislava (KHL) Nov. 30/94 C L 5'11/183 37 3 4 7 +4
73. Spencer Martin 72 Mississauga (OHL) Jun. 8/95 G L 6'2/192 46 17 3.02 .906 0
74. Eamon McAdam 66 Waterloo (USHL) Sep. 24/94 G L 6'2/185 38 16 3.50 .895 1
75. Ryan Kujawinski 64 Kingston (OHL) Mar. 30/95 C/LW L 6'1/203 66 17 31 48 -12

[dammage79]

Cannot believe he has Ristolainen at 25. If that happens I really really hope the Flames take him with the St/Louis pick.

Zykov at 37?? Mueller at 40! holy!

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Cannot believe he has Ristolainen at 25. If that happens I really really hope the Flames take him with the St/Louis pick.

Zykov at 37?? Mueller at 40! holy!

sounds like 15-50 are all pretty tight to me

[Muta]

Fucale at 7? Ristolainen at 25? Lazar at 32? Those are pretty bold predictions.

Imagine getting Monahan / Lindholm, Ristolainen and Lazar.

YES PLEASE / NEED CIGARETTE

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

sounds like 15-50 are all pretty tight to me

Flames need to get a couple of second round picks as well it appears. Holy deep draft batman.

[loob job]

Drouin in front of Mackinnon is laughable too.

[TurdFerguson]

As usual, Craig swimming against the stream with a number of those rankings.

Time will tell...

[TurdFerguson]

Hagg at 48 is pretty bold.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Muta

Fucale at 7? Ristolainen at 25? Lazar at 32? Those are pretty bold predictions.

They're not predictions... this isn't a mock draft Button's list is his talent rankings. He's usually pretty careful to say that his list isn't a prediction on who will go where but his evaluation on who will have the most success in the NHL.