Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?

I think, with everything we've heard from management and Craig Button, Monahan is the Flames' guy. Doesn't look like they're considering Lindholm much.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?

Could be but I cannot imagine that they would box themselves out of a great talent like that basically over whether he plays in a year.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Lindholm is in no way a project. He could very well be ready after a year in Sweden. Let him develop his game more if we draft him and then bring him over when he's ready. I'm really worried that we might rush whoever we draft into the NHL.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?

I doubt it. Anyone that they get at #6 in probably at least a year away anyways, unless Barkov some how drops to them.

Hypothetically, if the Flames draft Monahan with their 6th pick I suspect he will be back in juniors next season as well. He still has something to prove at that level and the Flames don't seem to be heading upwards anytime soon (although you just never know) so there is no point in rushing him.

When Feaster says he isn't looking for a project I suspect he means that they aren't looking to draft another Jankowski, who is highly thought of by some but all agree he is probably 4 or 5 years away.

Someone who is 1 or 2 years away isn't a project.

[dammage79]

NHL ready Draftees to me are:
Barkov
MacKinnon
Monahan (going to be darned close at training camp)
Horvat
Jones
Ristolainen
Nichushkin

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

If Gio is untouchable then the Flames mgmt team is poor. He may be the Flames best D, but he's not so good to not be considered a movable asset in a rebuild, nor is he young enough to earn that status...he's no longer an improving player, in fact recent evidence suggests the opposite.

He's likely the remaining vet that could fetch the best package of futures moving forward, so that possibility should be explored, at the very least.

And, can we stop with the "you can't trade everyone" bs???

The Flames have traded 2 vets thus far, to suggest 1 or 2 more get moved is hardly beyond reason.

It's not bs.

There are several guys that are likely not going to be here by the start of next season (2014). That probably includes Tanguay, Cammalleri, Stempniak, Stajan, Sarich, Kiprusoff, MacDonald, Begin, Jackman and Smith.

That is pretty much every single guy over the age of 24 other than Wideman, Hudler, Glencross and Giordano.

I consider those 4 as highly unlikely to move, simply because they have to have some vets. And the only reason I have Wideman and Hudler on that list is because thy have new contracts with several years still on them. Otherwise, my list would be Glencross and Giordano.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?

No in regards to what was said at the STH meeting they were referring to not drafting another Jankowski. A player who at best is still 3 years away from the league let alone making an impact. They don't need someone who is NHL ready but want someone who is able to play on the big club in a year or 2 max (that is what I took from it anyway)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

I doubt it. Anyone that they get at #6 in probably at least a year away anyways, unless Barkov some how drops to them.

Hypothetically, if the Flames draft Monahan with their 6th pick I suspect he will be back in juniors next season as well. He still has something to prove at that level and the Flames don't seem to be heading upwards anytime soon (although you just never know) so there is no point in rushing him.

When Feaster says he isn't looking for a project I suspect he means that they aren't looking to draft another Jankowski, who is highly thought of by some but all agree he is probably 4 or 5 years away.

Someone who is 1 or 2 years away isn't a project.

I am hoping to watch our two centermen, Monahan and Jankowski, lead Team Canada to gold in the WJC this year.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?

I was at that meeting and I interpreted a different way. I took it as Feaster meaning this top pick will play sooner rather then later (ala Jankowski). I don't think the management will play the pick if he isn't ready as the players they are projected to take at 6 are no means surefire starters next year. I also think it means Nurse isn't on their list as he is projected to be a couple years out (and he plays D).

IMO I think the internal plan is (or should be) draft decent this year and make the push next year with potentially all the first round picks from this year, Gaudreau, some graduates from the rookie class expected to start for the heat this year, and potentially another high pick next years draft.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am hoping to watch our two centermen, Monahan and Jankowski, lead Team Canada to gold in the WJC this year.

That would be pretty awesome to see.

Honestly I'm just hoping there's a bunch of Flames prospects playing important minutes in the next WJC.

[sureLoss]

Preds listening to offers for 4th overall:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...rade-No-4-pick

We’ll entertain offers. We’ve already had people inquire with us about it and vice-versa,” assistant general manager Paul Fenton said. “We’ll talk about whatever position that can improve us for the whole big picture of things.”Still, Fenton was cautious: “In order to move up to that position, you’re going to have to make an offer that you can’t refuse.”

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Preds listening to offers for 4th overall:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...rade-No-4-pick

Im getting my hopes up knowing that my heart will eventually be broken. I mean what would it take? Tanguay ( eating some salary) Blues Pick, Pens Pick, +? Would people be Ok giving up a + if we then have picks #4 and #6 ?

[Max Cow Disease]

I hadn't interpreted his remarks at the session as so much meaning that they thought Lindholm was way off in terms of skill, but rather that they would want whomever they drafted to play next season. With Lindholm staying in Sweden for another year, I thought that was maybe a hint that they'd really like to trade up for someone more guaranteed to be ready, or that they're maybe a tiny bit more keen on Monahan, who could conceivably make the team out of camp next season.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't want that to be the rationale either. I really like what I've seen from Lindholm and wouldn't want to miss out due to any level of impatience.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Preds listening to offers for 4th overall:

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...rade-No-4-pick

I actually think the Flames and Preds could work out a deal. Bakrov and Lindholm will likely be available in the 4/6 spots and if the Preds like Lindholm a lot then it wouldn't be too much of a risk to trade down to 6. I'm probably dreaming though.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I actually think the Flames and Preds could work out a deal. Bakrov and Lindholm will likely be available in the 4/6 spots and if the Preds like Lindholm a lot then it wouldn't be too much of a risk to trade down to 6. I'm probably dreaming though.

The question is, what would the Flames give up? The 30th seems like far too much to move up 2 spots. Flames don't have a second and the Pred's aren't trying to shed cap. These 2 teams don't seem like good trading partners, other than the fact Nashville probably doesn't want to drop past 6 or 7.

Also if Nashville likes Lindholm they could just end up taking him at 4 and having Barkov drop down to the Flames anyways.

I'm just not convinced there is enough of a gap in talent between Barkov and guys like Lindholm and Monahan to warrant jumping up to 4.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I actually think the Flames and Preds could work out a deal. Bakrov and Lindholm will likely be available in the 4/6 spots and if the Preds like Lindholm a lot then it wouldn't be too much of a risk to trade down to 6. I'm probably dreaming though.

Nashville needs scoring so what about Cammy or Glenx + STL or PIT pick or something similar? Keep 6 and get 4.

(all of your top five picks are belong to us)

[bubbsy]

when small market teams are in the lottery space, especially a team missing big name players to hype up like nashville, isn't it in their best interest to try to finally get that big name forward for the fans to get excited about, as opposed to getting a lower pick + a glencross/cammalleri?

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

If Gio is untouchable then the Flames mgmt team is poor. He may be the Flames best D, but he's not so good to not be considered a movable asset in a rebuild, nor is he young enough to earn that status...he's no longer an improving player, in fact recent evidence suggests the opposite.

He's likely the remaining vet that could fetch the best package of futures moving forward, so that possibility should be explored, at the very least.

And, can we stop with the "you can't trade everyone" bs???

The Flames have traded 2 vets thus far, to suggest 1 or 2 more get moved is hardly beyond reason.

The Flames traded three vets. How could you possibly forget about Comeau!

[Incogneto]

Going back to the Draft Value chart:
Preds:
#4 = 783
#66 = 177
TOTAL: 960

Flames:
#6 = 702
#30 = 265
TOTAL: 967

That is as close to an even deal as you will find in the league. basically trade down a round+ to move up two spots to get Barkov.

I'm down.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

when small market teams are in the lottery space, especially a team missing big name players to hype up like nashville, isn't it in their best interest to try to finally get that big name forward for the fans to get excited about, as opposed to getting a lower pick + a glencross/cammalleri?

Getting deeper into the playoffs would excite fans more than getting a high draft pick IMO. I don't know if Cammy and GlenX are what |Nashville needs to accomplish a playoff run but....