Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If any of the top 3 picks are available, we should give up just about anything to get one. The more I think about it, the more I'd be willing to part with next years pick too

Patience young jedi

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If any of the top 3 picks are available, we should give up just about anything to get one. The more I think about it, the more I'd be willing to part with next years pick too

No. No way. We're going to be hot garbage next year. That pick could easily be #1 overall and I'll be shocked if it's worse than 6th. Monahan/Lindholm + Ekblad/Reinhart > Any one of Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon. In my largely-based-on-reading-the-internet opinion, anyway.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by driveway

No. No way. We're going to be hot garbage next year. That pick could easily be #1 overall and I'll be shocked if it's worse than 6th. Monahan/Lindholm + Ekblad/Reinhart > Any one of Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon. In my largely-based-on-reading-the-internet opinion, anyway.

Agreed. Next years first is untouchable. A high end center prospect will be available at the 6th pick. No need to sell of everything for one player when we are in no position to do so.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Agreed. Next years first is untouchable. A high end center prospect will be available at the 6th pick. No need to sell of everything for one player when we are in no position to do so.

Do you think Sam Reinhart or Ekblad will have a higher ceiling than MacKinnon or Barkov? Nothing wrong with stocking up in a better draft by all accounts. If there's a deal that includes next years first for one of the top five that did not include the #6 pick I would do it.

[Caged Great]

Ekblad and Reinhart are in the same conversation as Barkov and MacKinnon. I'd probably rate them Mac, Reinhart, Barkov, Ekblad.

The only problem I have is how much would you have to add to 2014 1st to get a top 5 pick. Would you have to add Cammalleri? Giordano? Baertschi? Brodie? 22 + pit's pick?

Everything depends on price. If it makes sense, then sure, but rome isn't going to be built in a day so we would likely be better off just being patient.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Ekblad and Reinhart are in the same conversation as Barkov and MacKinnon. I'd probably rate them Mac, Reinhart, Barkov, Ekblad.

The only problem I have is how much would you have to add to 2014 1st to get a top 5 pick. Would you have to add Cammalleri? Giordano? Baertschi? Brodie? 22 + pit's pick?

Everything depends on price. If it makes sense, then sure, but rome isn't going to be built in a day so we would likely be better off just being patient.

Cammalleri....Giordano? Nope.

[CalgaryFan1988]

FWIW I was talking to the Kootenay Ice merchandise salesman and he told me that Sam by far the best Reinhart of them all. He obviously watched Sam play a lot.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Ekblad and Reinhart are in the same conversation as Barkov and MacKinnon. I'd probably rate them Mac, Reinhart, Barkov, Ekblad.

The only problem I have is how much would you have to add to 2014 1st to get a top 5 pick. Would you have to add Cammalleri? Giordano? Baertschi? Brodie? 22 + pit's pick?

Everything depends on price. If it makes sense, then sure, but rome isn't going to be built in a day so we would likely be better off just being patient.

Adding Cammy to the equation only works with COL I think. They have a need for proven scoring wingers. He probably has more value to them than most other teams. Seeing as cap space is not really an issue with them next year. I guess NSH as well as they are barren when it comes to scoring wingers.

Adding Cammy and say the 22nd pick and the first next year to COL still leaves the Flames with three picks in the draft. But like you said, it has to work for everyone.

It may be more efficient and cost friendly to move up to NSH pick and grab Barkov though. adding the sixth and a scoring winger would do the trick I think.

[killer_carlson]

Given our cap room i think we could offer to take back part of Cammy's salary as part of the trade.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If any of the top 3 picks are available, we should give up just about anything to get one. The more I think about it, the more I'd be willing to part with next years pick too

Can you imagine how long this upcoming season is going to feel if the Flames are bottom dwellers AND they don't have their first round pick? Yikes, thanks but no thanks.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Given our cap room i think we could offer to take back part of Cammy's salary as part of the trade.

Would the owners be willing to?

[Cheerio]

You win cups with depth and lots of good players, not just one superstar. Ekblad/Nylander/Reinhart+Lindholm/Monohan>Mackinnon/Barkov and I don't think it's even that close.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

You win cups with depth and lots of good players, not just one superstar. Ekblad/Nylander/Reinhart+Lindholm/Monohan>Mackinnon/Barkov and I don't think it's even that close.

You can add depth to the depth we already have over the next few years as it's not like this is not the last draft year and it's not like we will be challenging for a Cup within 3-5 years anyways or even the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, depth is necessary, but an Elite talent can take you over the hump. And if you can grab an elite talent for the cost of 3 maybe really good talents, I think you do it. Elite talent isn't there every year and MacKinnon is elite.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

You can add depth to the depth we already have over the next few years as it's not like this is not the last draft year and it's not like we will be challenging for a Cup within 3-5 years anyways or even the playoffs. Don't get me wrong, depth is necessary, but an Elite talent can take you over the hump. And if you can grab an elite talent for the cost of 3 maybe really good talents, I think you do it. Elite talent isn't there every year and MacKinnon is elite.

Look at the last two Stanley Cup winners. Depth galore but no real "elite" talent, and the reason Chicago won three seasons ago was because of their great depth with Ladd, Byfuglien, Bolland, & Hossa, not because Toews & Kane put the team on their back and willed their way to the cup. I don't believe MacKinnon is anywhere near as "elite" as most people here do though. I think he'll be comparable to Taylor Hall and not on the level that Stamkos, Crosby and Ovechkin are at.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by driveway

Monahan/Lindholm + Ekblad/Reinhart > Any one of Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon.

Devil's Advocate... would Monahan/Lindholm + Richie/Virtanen> Any one of Jones/Drouin/MacKinnon?

[Commandant]

Keaton Thompson, heck of a skater, for the USNTDP on their defence.

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[albertGQ]

Would Roy trade #1 for #6, Tanguay and Brodie?
I don't think any other GM would but Roy might want to and be in Sakic's ear.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Look at the last two Stanley Cup winners. Depth galore but no real "elite" talent, and the reason Chicago won three seasons ago was because of their great depth with Ladd, Byfuglien, Bolland, & Hossa, not because Toews & Kane put the team on their back and willed their way to the cup. I don't believe MacKinnon is anywhere near as "elite" as most people here do though. I think he'll be comparable to Taylor Hall and not on the level that Stamkos, Crosby and Ovechkin are at.

LA had Kopitar and Doughty who are elite and Carter and Richards who are borderline as well. Boston had Chara, maybe Bergeron and Thomas with the way he was playing was elite as well. (Elite for me is a guy who could play for Team Canada at the Olympic level.)

What elite level talent does is take the focus from the top defenders away from the secondary guys and lets them be successful against lesser guys. Malkin doesn't win the Conn Smyth if he is facing Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Lidstrom/Rafalski. Having Crosby take that assignment let Malkin beat up on the secondary guys of Detroit.

Hossa isn't scoring a ton in the finals if Toews isn't winning face-offs, winning puck battles and taking the puck away from the opposition.

Sure you need depth to go with that Elite talent but if you don't have elite talent on your team you likely don't even make the play-offs and certainly don't win the Cup.

[moon]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Would Roy trade #1 for #6, Tanguay and Brodie?
I don't think any other GM would but Roy might want to and be in Sakic's ear.

Can't imagine why he would and can't imagine that they wouldn't get a much better offer if they were that serious about moving the #1 pick.

Seems the reason to move it would be if Roy liked a Drouin or MacKinnon so much that he thought they could drop back and get the guy they like while picking up assets. That doesn't work at 6.

Or they want to accelerate the rebuild and get immediate help and Brodie/Tanguay don't come close enough to doing that to miss out on Jones/MacKinnon.

[albertGQ]

^^^
I just think that Roy may want Tanguay specifically because they played together. Sakic too. You never know. I don't think its enough to get #1 either but if any team might do it, it'd be the Avs.