Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

apologies for asking the same question that i'm sure is already answered but what is the worst spot that the blues pick can land?

if the wings upset the hawks, does the pick move up?

I believe it's 22 at worst and can go up to 20 (although that'd require the Rangers coming all the way back)

Wings win = 21
Hawks win = 22

[bubbsy]

much appreciated.

was on this mynhldraft.com site that did a mock as of may22nd, but it had the pick at 25 which didn't seem right to me.

[Commandant]

Linus Arnesson, a defensive D out of Sweden.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...ct-profile-44/

[albertGQ]

Most here seem like they wouldn't trade #6 for BJs three first rounders

But that could be the equivalent of trading Monahan for Domi, Horvat and Shinkarick (sp)
Anyone willing to do that now? Or most likely those three wont be available with those three picks?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Most here seem like they wouldn't trade #6 for BJs three first rounders

But that could be the equivalent of trading Monahan for Domi, Horvat and Shinkarick (sp)
Anyone willing to do that now? Or most likely those three wont be available with those three picks?

I personally wouldn't. As others have said, quality over quantity. We already likely missed out on the top tier of prospects in this draft (widely regarded to be Jones, Drouin, Mackinnon, Nichushkin and Barkov). With Lindholm, Nurse and Monahan being the next tier, I wouldn't want to trade out of that. Those are still prospects that could have been top 5 in an average year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Most here seem like they wouldn't trade #6 for BJs three first rounders

But that could be the equivalent of trading Monahan for Domi, Horvat and Shinkarick (sp)
Anyone willing to do that now? Or most likely those three wont be available with those three picks?

Columbus' picks are looking like 14, 18 and 27-30

Shinkaruk is almost certainly gone before 14. Domi is projected to go in the 10-15 range by many recent accounts, and Horvat is likely to go somewhere between 10 and 20th.

Absolutely no chance you could get all 3 with those picks. You probably could get one of Domi or Horvat, but you would be really fortunate to get both of them (assuming they were your desired choices).

The one you get is a pretty big downgrade from Monahan/Lindholm so from the other two picks, you better make one of them a real gem. And considering that you already have 2 other picks in the 20s, how many gems do you think one scouting staff can make?

[PlayfulGenius]

Yikes, no deal if the picks are that low... Keep #6

[the_only_turek_fan]

I wonder if one of Cammilleri or Hudler are being shopped for another 1st or a couple of 2nds right now.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Most here seem like they wouldn't trade #6 for BJs three first rounders

But that could be the equivalent of trading Monahan for Domi, Horvat and Shinkarick (sp)
Anyone willing to do that now? Or most likely those three wont be available with those three picks?

One thing that's essential to remember about this draft is that, for the first time in a long, long time, the flames are set up as an ideal development environment.

So much of why players succeed or fail as nhlers has to do with their drafting team's focus on development and the availability of ahl and nhl positions.

The environment surrounding the flames is shaping up to be perfect for player development; a wealthy franchise, dedicated ahl team, well staffed and funded scouting staff, a somewhat vacant nhl roster, and an organizational realization that this draft is paramount to any future success.
This makes me think that the players the flames select may have an advantage over players drafted by teams that aren't as future focused.

Because of this situation perhaps calgary can afford to take on projects and may benefit from more tickets in the lottery.

with regard to the potential columbus deal (cgy's 6th for clb's 14th and apprx. 19th and 23rd.) i would look long and hard at that deal if the player the flames really wanted (say lindholm) is gone on draft day.


Could be monohan for pulock, zykov, and Mantha (ISS Rankings)

(based on 14th, 19th, 22nd, 23rd, 30th)
sets up A draft of Pulock, Zykov, Bowey, Mantha, And Morin (ISS)
or
Mantha, Horvat, Gauthier, Dickinson, Zykov (craig's list)
or
Lazar, Klimchuck, Rychel, Hagg, Compher (THW Mock)
or
Pulock, Burakowsky, Buchnevich, Rychel, and Mueller (my nhl draft)

because there's so much talent in the top 40 of this draft there's a good chance that very desirable players will drop and if the flames have more selections they can swoop in on bargains.

Lot of rambling i know
but the bottom line is if the player the flames coveted isn't there at six, they should absolutely make a deal with columbus.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Most here seem like they wouldn't trade #6 for BJs three first rounders

But that could be the equivalent of trading Monahan for Domi, Horvat and Shinkarick (sp)
Anyone willing to do that now? Or most likely those three wont be available with those three picks?

I absolutely would do that. Six first round picks in a good draft.

[sa226]

Is there any merit though to diversifying your assets. Or is it better to just maximize them?

What I mean is, sure it would be great to have all 30 first round draft picks, but if the Flames truly believe that this draft is the kickstart to the foundation of the next generation of the franchise, you don't really want to go all Oilers and just have a bunch of really good young players all within the same age who are certainly talented, but are lost in the wilderness.

If the goal is to contend in 5 years, why not use the assets to make sure that 5 years down the road you have the right mix of players (Elite youth on entry contracts, role players, vets etc etc)

Or do you just hoard every BPA you can and cross that bridge when it comes?

I'm mainly just thinking out loud.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by calgARI

I absolutely would do that. Six first round picks in a good draft.

It would be 5 picks. CGY's remaining two, plus Columbus' three.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I wonder if one of Cammilleri or Hudler are being shopped for another 1st or a couple of 2nds right now.

I sure as hell hope so!!

Surely CLB will be looking for roster players over picks at this point... Here must be a fit there somehow for Feaster

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by sa226

Is there any merit though to diversifying your assets. Or is it better to just maximize them?

What I mean is, sure it would be great to have all 30 first round draft picks, but if the Flames truly believe that this draft is the kickstart to the foundation of the next generation of the franchise, you don't really want to go all Oilers and just have a bunch of really good young players all within the same age who are certainly talented, but are lost in the wilderness.

If the goal is to contend in 5 years, why not use the assets to make sure that 5 years down the road you have the right mix of players (Elite youth on entry contracts, role players, vets etc etc)

Or do you just hoard every BPA you can and cross that bridge when it comes?

I'm mainly just thinking out loud.

I think there's way too many variables and unknowns to plan too specifically... I think it's all about BPA and adjust later.

[schmaaadm]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I wonder if one of Cammilleri or Hudler are being shopped for another 1st or a couple of 2nds right now.

I would much rather have Tanguay moved, although he most likely wont return as much. Huds and Cammi are gamers, I feel like they bring more compete to the room and could act as leaders for the young guys. It would be nice to win a few games next year..

[korzym12]

Originally Posted by schmaaadm

I would much rather have Tanguay moved, although he most likely wont return as much. Huds and Cammi are gamers, I feel like they bring more compete to the room and could act as leaders for the young guys. It would be nice to win a few games next year..

well we won a few games this year and it didn't turn out too well for us in regards to draft order..This team is 3-5 years away from needing leadership unless there's a miracle anyway

[schmaaadm]

Originally Posted by korzym12

well we won a few games this year and it didn't turn out too well for us in regards to draft order..This team is 3-5 years away from needing leadership unless there's a miracle anyway

You always need leadership though. Someone to mentor the young guys a bit. watching the Oilers and their 1st pick streak, and they finished what? One spot above us?

[dammage79]

An infectious competitive attitude from the older guys in the room will go a long way to expediting the Flames re-tooling/re-build. There also needs to be some solid leadership from the coaches and let the kids play without fear of losing ice time from making mistakes. They're going to happen you just have to guide them. Very much like the way the kids were being allowed to play after the deadline. It was fun hockey to watch even if it did mean a couple extra wins.

[Trailer Fire]

Pick 1: Nurse, Barkov, or Monahan.
Pick 2: Domi, Rychel, or Mantha.
Pick 3: Zykov, De La Rose, or Hartman.

If we picked up 3 of those 9 I would be absolutely over the moon. Barkov, Domi, and Hartman probably won't drop that far though.

I've followed Domi for the better part of the year and he is who I want. Above anyone else I want Domi.

[dammage79]

Does Domi even stand the chance of falling past the Leafs? If i remember correctly their pick one high than the St.Louis pick.