Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

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I think the unofficial theme song for the Flames the next couple years should be "Patience" by GnR... we should just make our picks, stockpile good young players and well do as the song says and in a few years we should have some young exciting talent for Bob Harley who seems to do well with young guys.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by fotze

Mods can we have a countdown to draft day ticker thing going?

no

bugger off

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He reminds me a bit of Joe Nieuwendyk the way uses his speed and cuts into the net to score.

Wow, not hard to believe he could be the most talented player available!

Of course, we're only seeing his offensive acumen in this video but what's there reminds me of Eric Staal... Or a faster, quicker Keith Primeau.

Has this kid played any C, or is he always on the wing?

[Kaine]

Do not want Nichushkin. This team is not in a position to gamble with what will be our best prospect.

All of that talent means nothing if he doesn't come to NA, if there is even a remote chance he won't be coming he is not worth the risk for this team at this time.

[dammage79]

Nichushkin will probably not be around at 6 anyways. But this is what is ridiculous about the whole Russian thing. To me, he looks like the best player in this draft, should go number one. And yet because he is a Russian no way should the Flames take he him. Flames could be so freakin' lucky to have that kind of talent on the team.

Really take the blinders off and forget where the person is from and make a judgement based on the talent you see.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nichushkin will probably not be around at 6 anyways. But this is what is ridiculous about the whole Russian thing. To me, he looks like the best player in this draft, should go number one. And yet because he is a Russian no way should the Flames take he him. Flames could be so freakin' lucky to have that kind of talent on the team.

Really take the blinders off and forget where the person is from and make a judgement based on the talent you see.

Although I can't speak for everyone on this board, I don't think it's so much the Russian factor as it is the KHL factor for most people. You can't just make a decision based on talent alone without considering the other tangibles in these cases..

Nichushkin is signed until the end of 2014-15 if I recall correctly and his KHL team isn't just going to give him up for nothing, assuming that after those two years, Nichushkin will still want to come to NA. It is already an issue/risk that other teams have faced or are currently facing. Given all of that, I think many people rightfully believe it is not a risk this team should take lightly given their prospect base and the importance of this pick.

It just comes down to your risk tolerance really.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nichushkin will probably not be around at 6 anyways. But this is what is ridiculous about the whole Russian thing. To me, he looks like the best player in this draft, should go number one. And yet because he is a Russian no way should the Flames take he him. Flames could be so freakin' lucky to have that kind of talent on the team.

Really take the blinders off and forget where the person is from and make a judgement based on the talent you see.

I don't care where he is from personally. I have no blinders for Russian's or any other place. What I have a problem with is the fact that those from other countries that have shown little to no intention of coming to NA in the past and a real possibility exist that they will remain to play in the league they are currently in. This is a problem with the KHL unfortunately, something that has to be taken into account when drafting. This is why for example, Russians that play in the CHL before the draft are often much more valued in the draft than those that have played in the KHL.

Again all the skill in the world means nothing if the player doesn't actually play for the team that drafted him.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by T@T

I believe he would go back to the draft like what Erixon threatened to do to the flames, not positive though. but he still couldn't sign a full UFA contract anyway.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

and I believe that at the age of 22, like a college player (Erixon was 20), he'd become a UFA but it would be cool to get a definitive answer.

Originally Posted by getbak

He would be a 22 year-old Unrestricted Free Agent (much like Justin Schultz last year).

He would be able to sign with any team in the NHL, but he could only sign a two-year ELC. At the end of his ELC, he would be 24 years-old with 2 years of NHL experience, so he would become a Restricted Free Agent. He would be eligible for full UFA status at 27 years-old.

If he waited until he was at least 24 years-old to sign his first contract, it would only need to be a one-year ELC, but he would still become an RFA the end of his ELC.

Pretty sure this is not the case, the KHL and NHL do not have an official transfer agreement, therefore there is no age/time limit for an NHL team to sign a drafted player in the KHL before they lose their rights (except probably for the 27 year old UFA status).

For example, Kuznestov was a 1st round pick in 2010 and should have fell back into the draft in 2012 because Washington never signed him, however Washington still holds onto his rights because there is no transfer agreement between the KHL and NHL defining when a team loses rights to drafted players.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pretty sure this is not the case, the KHL and NHL do not have an official transfer agreement, therefore there is no age/time limit for an NHL team to sign a drafted player in the KHL before they lose their rights (except probably for the 27 year old UFA status).

For example, Kuznestov was a 1st round pick in 2010 and should have fell back into the draft in 2012 because Washington never signed him, however Washington still holds onto his rights because there is no transfer agreement between the KHL and NHL defining when a team loses rights to drafted players.

That's right for players who go to the KHL and become "defected" players. Because there is no transfer agreement with the KHL, an NHL team essentially holds the player's rights indefinitely.

I assume all the other age-based requirements would still be true, but I don't know what would happen if a player drafted at 18 played in the KHL for a decade, then came over at 28, when he should be eligible for full unrestricted free agency.


That only applies to players who "defect" to the KHL. All other European leagues have transfer agreements in place, so the NHL drafting team will only hold a player's rights for a maximum of four years, at which time, he would become a free agent.

[Ashasx]

silly me, wrong thread

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Wow, not hard to believe he could be the most talented player available!

Of course, we're only seeing his offensive acumen in this video but what's there reminds me of Eric Staal... Or a faster, quicker Keith Primeau.

Has this kid played any C, or is he always on the wing?

Considering Monahan, Lindholm are centers another strong winger in Nichushkin would be a solid core to build around.

[toquester]

I think the guy is dreaming of hitting a home run. I read (but I don't remember where) that he wants to go to New York or Philadelphia. He is already calling the shots, buyer beware.

[dammage79]

If by some insane miracle Nichushkin falls to another of the Flames first round picks, there should be no way he isn't donning a Flames Jersey in two years.

Look, I get and understand fully the inherent risk of taking a Russian player that isn't even on the boat yet. Call me crazy if you like but I don't see how he isn't the better prospect over MacKinnon and Drouin and Jones. Even my favorite in the draft Barkov. This is the kind of player you start building a core with and keep for a very long time.

Sorry for getting all uppity about this, but I am sold on this player. Eventually he will make all the teams that passed on him rue the day. Rue I say!

[PlayfulGenius]

The Flames should trade for EDM's pick, then convince PHI they'll use one on Nichuskin...then pick up an additional pick by in a swap with PHI's pick.

The consensus is both EDM and PHI will take a D due to their current roster needs. I think his is severely flawed logic, as a D usually takes at least 4 years to be an impact player...and every NHL roster would have experienced mass turnover by that time.

I think EDM trades their pick for a D, and PHI either does he same or picks BPA, which may be a D at their pick.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by toquester

I think the guy is dreaming of hitting a home run. I read (but I don't remember where) that he wants to go to New York or Philadelphia. He is already calling the shots, buyer beware.

You read it on CP, and what he actually said was New York and Philadelphia were his favourite teams.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

The Flames should trade for EDM's pick, then convince PHI they'll use one on Nichuskin...then pick up an additional pick by in a swap with PHI's pick.

The consensus is both EDM and PHI will take a D due to their current roster needs. I think his is severely flawed logic, as a D usually takes at least 4 years to be an impact player...and every NHL roster would have experienced mass turnover by that time.

I think EDM trades their pick for a D, and PHI either does he same or picks BPA, which may be a D at their pick.

We don't have a D that could get the 7th overall

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Bonded

We don't have a D that could get the 7th overall

No, I guess not... Maybe Gio plus a later pick could get it done.

I'm all for trading up as long as the Flames remain with 3 1st round picks... I'd like to see roster players used to move them up in the round.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If by some insane miracle Nichushkin falls to another of the Flames first round picks, there should be no way he isn't donning a Flames Jersey in two years.

Look, I get and understand fully the inherent risk of taking a Russian player that isn't even on the boat yet. Call me crazy if you like but I don't see how he isn't the better prospect over MacKinnon and Drouin and Jones. Even my favorite in the draft Barkov. This is the kind of player you start building a core with and keep for a very long time.

Sorry for getting all uppity about this, but I am sold on this player. Eventually he will make all the teams that passed on him rue the day. Rue I say!

Or he will make the team that drafted him regret the day.

[SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

No, I guess not... Maybe Gio plus a later pick could get it done.

I'm all for trading up as long as the Flames remain with 3 1st round picks... I'd like to see roster players used to move them up in the round.

Gio isn't as good as people think.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

Gio isn't as good as people think.

and first round picks have what a 50% chance of being NHL regulars. I don't see the point of trading an established NHL player for a draft pick unless we are forced into it (Iginla) or have a player (Brodie) ready to replace the vet (Boumeester).