I tend to agree that i don't think it is worth trading one of the 2nd first round picks to move up to 4th.
I do not think all 3 picks will be used to draft players. I could see one of the 2nd picks traded for a player. So on that i will ask the CP a question:
Would you rather the flames draft 2 players ( one at 6th and the other around 25) and trade the other pick for a player, or would you rather the flames draft 6th and take the 2 other first round picks to move up to the 12 spot?
Also the player being traded for is not going to be a Wayne Simmonds, Jakub Voracek type player. Think more in the lines of a Matt Read type player.
I'd be choked if a player of that ilk was brought in for one of those picks. The Flames have a near ideal setting here going into this rebuild...if they piss it away, I'll be upset.
I get the argument that the late round pick may not even be an NHL player...but the player may also be a Correy Perry or Mike Richards.
The Flames would just totally throw away the tactical advantage they have with 3 picks in a deep draft.
I liked a lot of Button's comments on Barkov. The intelligence and hands. The Maturity and the Kipper esque ice cold blood in his veins comments. Being called the best player on the ice (yes, even though it was one game) against Bonifide NHL stars was also a nice compliment. You can argue the Mikko Koivu isn't really a star but I like the style of hockey he plays.
One thing he didn't bring up is his reach. You can see it in the videos that his reach is quite an asset.
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The Flames would definitely be best served if they keep all 3 1sts, and maybe even move down a few spots with one of the latter picks in order to pick up more prospects
So you're agreeing with him? He said not too many, and you came up with 2-ish centers that aren't slow.
He's more-or-less writing a guy off in large part because he's supposedly too big to play centre. I'm pointing out that size, agility, and the ability to play centre aren't mutually exclusive.
I tend to agree that i don't think it is worth trading one of the 2nd first round picks to move up to 4th.
I do not think all 3 picks will be used to draft players. I could see one of the 2nd picks traded for a player. So on that i will ask the CP a question:
Would you rather the flames draft 2 players ( one at 6th and the other around 25) and trade the other pick for a player, or would you rather the flames draft 6th and take the 2 other first round picks to move up to the 12 spot?
Also the player being traded for is not going to be a Wayne Simmonds, Jakub Voracek type player. Think more in the lines of a Matt Read type player.
I think the highest the Pens can drop to is #26?! What about the Blues pick? I want to say, theoretically, looking at the combinations of teams playing in the first round, that the Blues pick could be as high 16 if the underdogs win (not going to happen) if i'm interpreting the following rules correctly:
The Rangers/Capitals pick would both be higher considering they are playing each other, but the rest of the teams lower than St. Louis could end up drafting after St. Louis' pick if they were to upset the favourite in their respective series...
Too much thinking.
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Swiss - cant waste the first pick on a Swiss player but you can draft Mueller and then trade for Neiderreiter (or vice versa)
This is intriguing. There is definitely something to be said for the chemistry that it takes to build a winner.
I'm sure Sutter assumed Alberta boys fit the team mold and posed littłe risk to chemistry.
Detroit emerged when the Russian five broke out. The 04 Flames had a lot of Western Canadian guys that gelled off ice. That Pens 24/7 had good camaraderie, with stuff like the hotel room beds and tables being set up in the hall. You can't guarantee chemistry but there is something to be said for guys building that. This is why a guy like Warrener made it to the finals with Buffalo, Florida and Calgary. Because he is a guy that brings teammates together. And the problem with the Flames was probably not Iggy, or getting his buddies like Tanguay and Cammalleri, but the absence of guys like Warrener and Regehr that brought the rest of the guys together. Rhett's story about Saprykin after the table dive illustrate this.
There has to be enough in common with guys off the ice to get full buy in on. And when Darryl went upstairs, I think a bit of that was lost.
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This is intriguing. There is definitely something to be said for the chemistry that it takes to build a winner.
I'm sure Sutter assumed Alberta boys fit the team mold and posed littłe risk to chemistry.
Detroit emerged when the Russian five broke out. The 04 Flames had a lot of Western Canadian guys that gelled off ice. That Pens 24/7 had good camaraderie, with stuff like the hotel room beds and tables being set up in the hall. You can't guarantee chemistry but there is something to be said for guys building that. This is why a guy like Warrener made it to the finals with Buffalo, Florida and Calgary. Because he is a guy that brings teammates together. And the problem with the Flames was probably not Iggy, or getting his buddies like Tanguay and Cammalleri, but the absence of guys like Warrener and Regehr that brought the rest of the guys together. Rhett's story about Saprykin after the table dive illustrate this.
There has to be enough in common with guys off the ice to get full buy in on. And when Darryl went upstairs, I think a bit of that was lost.
