Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[moon]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Rumor is that Weber is pissed b/c of lack of scoring. Supposedly he wants someone to start scoring goals or maybe he wont resign. This is being tossed around on Nashville boards. I would guess Nashville would be more interested in a right now player than waiting 2-3 years for a Nurse. Whether that player is one of the top 4 draftees of 2013 or Squid/Tangs/Hudler or some other combo we will wait and see.

Won't re-sign? He is signed for 13 years I am sure the Predators are fine if he doesn't re-sign.

[AC]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Rumor is that Weber is pissed b/c of lack of scoring. Supposedly he wants someone to start scoring goals or maybe he wont resign. This is being tossed around on Nashville boards. I would guess Nashville would be more interested in a right now player than waiting 2-3 years for a Nurse. Whether that player is one of the top 4 draftees of 2013 or Squid/Tangs/Hudler or some other combo we will wait and see.

I bet the 2026 Predators will be worried.

[Bonded]

Preds might want another top 2 Dman, but I think their real need is up front. I think the rival the Flames for a weak forward crop.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by moon

Won't re-sign? He is signed for 13 years I am sure the Predators are fine if he doesn't re-sign.

Whoops!

[getbak]

Anyone interested in "scouting" a couple of guys who could be around for the Blues' and/or Pens' picks, Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar are playing in the WHL Final, airing on Shaw TV over the next week or so. It's also a chance to see what the Avs will be getting in Jones.

Game 1 is on right now. Game 2 is tomorrow night at 8.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by AC

I bet the 2026 Predators will be worried.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Worth it if feaster and co feel he his franchise.

If we've learned one thing over the past 16 years, it's that a team needs more than 1 or 2 franchise pieces to win a cup. I'd rather take 3 really good players than 1 franchise player.

You need quality depth to be a championship team.

[Lanny_McDonald]

People seem to forget that the Oilers were Gretzky and a few really good players. The Flames never had that Gretzky, but instead had a team of a really good players. The Flames need to try and draft a bunch of really good players again. I think they are on their way with the kids they have. If they bring home from this draft three really solid pieces they could be in very good shape moving forward and have a solid team in a couple of years. I wouldn't be disappointed if they got a franchise quality player, but I think they are better off getting three really good pieces instead of one great one. We've experienced what it is like to try and build around that one special guy and how big a failure it can be. Time to build a team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 868904

If we've learned one thing over the past 16 years, it's that a team needs more than 1 or 2 franchise pieces to win a cup. I'd rather take 3 really good players than 1 franchise player.

You need quality depth to be a championship team.

Yeah, but we also did not have a franchise centreman over the last 16 years. I just don't value the later picks as much as others. Drafting twice in the first round would still be good. Its not like st. Louis pick is 16 overall.

But, I am not really waiting for a trade up to happen because I don't think anyone wants to move down.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Anyone else think Frederik Gauthier is the next coming of Joe Colborne?

Edit- After the injury. He isn't the same player as he was. Do not want.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Anyone else think Frederik Gauthier is the next coming of Joe Colborne?

Edit- After the injury. He isn't the same player as he was. Do not want.

You don't see too many 6'5" centres in this league. They're just too slow to play the position effectively.

His upside might be someone like Antropov... but I don't like him much either. He has no hands.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but we also did not have a franchise centreman over the last 16 years. I just don't value the later picks as much as others. Drafting twice in the first round would still be good. Its not like st. Louis pick is 16 overall.

But, I am not really waiting for a trade up to happen because I don't think anyone wants to move down.

I just see the importance of this draft to the Flames being similar to the Ducks 2003 draft.

This year's draft apparently has similar depth ton 2003 when the Ducks grabbed Getzlaf at 19 and Perry at 28.

Plus in that 2003 draft, the 20 to 30 picks resulted in guys like Perry, Kesler, Burns, Richards, and 4 other NHL regulars.

I don't think the Ducks are where they are now if they only picked up Getzlaf alone or traded both their picks for a top 5 to draft Erice Staal or Nathan Horton.

I could see trading the low firsts to move up in a weak draft but guys like Compher, Gauthier, Dauphin, Petan, etc could be as good if not better than the top of the class. You just never know with development.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 868904

I just see the importance of this draft to the Flames being similar to the Ducks 2003 draft.

This year's draft apparently has similar depth ton 2003 when the Ducks grabbed Getzlaf at 19 and Perry at 28.

Plus in that 2003 draft, the 20 to 30 picks resulted in guys like Perry, Kesler, Burns, Richards, and 4 other NHL regulars.

I don't think the Ducks are where they are now if they only picked up Getzlaf alone or traded both their picks for a top 5 to draft Erice Staal or Nathan Horton.

I could see trading the low firsts to move up in a weak draft but guys like Compher, Gauthier, Dauphin, Petan, etc could be as good if not better than the top of the class. You just never know with development.

I don't think this draft is considered as deep as 2003 but that aside I agree with your assessment completely.

The Flames don't need one piece they need a few, and this is a great chance to start that. If they get a bonafide top line player with their first pick they could come up with only two bottom roster player with their second two picks, but even at that they've gained assets and prospect depth.

They could however do as you say and get two pieces out of this draft to build a decade of franchise around.

I'd rather they take the picks, or even move down with the lower of the two and get two seconds.

[PlayfulGenius]

The forecast for this draft will look a lot better if the Penguins and Blues lose before the Conf. Finals... Both teams are capable of losing in the second round, for sure... That'd be nice.

[kyuss275]

I tend to agree that i don't think it is worth trading one of the 2nd first round picks to move up to 4th.

I do not think all 3 picks will be used to draft players. I could see one of the 2nd picks traded for a player. So on that i will ask the CP a question:

Would you rather the flames draft 2 players ( one at 6th and the other around 25) and trade the other pick for a player, or would you rather the flames draft 6th and take the 2 other first round picks to move up to the 12 spot?

Also the player being traded for is not going to be a Wayne Simmonds, Jakub Voracek type player. Think more in the lines of a Matt Read type player.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but we also did not have a franchise centreman over the last 16 years. I just don't value the later picks as much as others. Drafting twice in the first round would still be good. Its not like st. Louis pick is 16 overall.

But, I am not really waiting for a trade up to happen because I don't think anyone wants to move down.

Well, we did have a franchise centre an in Martin St. Louis, but unfortunately, we didn't realize it.

I tend to favour keeping and using the 2 late 1st round picks in hopes of getting a couple of solid building blocks for 2-3 years down the road. I'm starting to fear they might be 29 and 30, however.
I agree it's unlikely someone will trade down. We'd be very lucky if we got a "franchise" player drafting 6th, but we should still be able to get a very good one.

[moon]

Martin St. Louis is a center?

I always see him playing wing.

[sa226]

This is just me randomly thinking out loud. But I'm not convinced that we necessarily need the quintessential "franchise player" right away to get back to respectability. Sure it would be nice. But I don't think its a must.

I think it is conceivable that we get 3 really good players. To add to our already OK crop of youngsters.

If you look at the Blues, outside of Petrangelo, its not the most impressive lineup and that is a heck of a team.

The Kings outside of Doughty are a bunch of really good players but they don't scream "franchise player" (Kopitar is close but I think a player like him can be had without a top 5 draft pick)

I'm sure there are other examples.

Maybe my definition of franchise player is different, I just don't think its a huge deal if we don't get one of the top 4.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I tend to agree that i don't think it is worth trading one of the 2nd first round picks to move up to 4th.

I do not think all 3 picks will be used to draft players. I could see one of the 2nd picks traded for a player. So on that i will ask the CP a question:

Would you rather the flames draft 2 players ( one at 6th and the other around 25) and trade the other pick for a player, or would you rather the flames draft 6th and take the 2 other first round picks to move up to the 12 spot?

Also the player being traded for is not going to be a Wayne Simmonds, Jakub Voracek type player. Think more in the lines of a Matt Read type player.

6 and 12 please
Likely get 2 elite prospects
Ie Monahan and shinkaruk or lindholm and zadorov

But that decision is made on draft day when you look at who's left at 12
If someone like nichuskin or nurse falls its a no brainer
But would also do it for shinkaruk , domi or zadorov

[puckedoff]

We may as well grab 3 good prospects this year. likely they won't be ready for the 13-14 season which means we'll have another crack at a potential franchise player in the '14 draft, and if we get one we'll have a solid supporting cast in place (or in the pipeline).