Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[The Swedish Flame]

Cross-post from the Lindholm/Monahan thread:

Just read an article on Lindholm's Swedish club's website. The article talks a bit about how they will place more of an emphasis on individual training, and then goes on to talk about Lindholm's own training.

"Agility and pace are two things I think that I should improve"
He also talks about improving stamina.

The article then talks about how there have been scouts at almost all of his games this season and how he felt about it. He says that you don't really think about it when you're on the ice.

He also says that he's not thought too much about the draft, but that he probably will think more about it when it gets closer.

He also says that he's going to do another year for Brynäs in the Swedish league before he heads over to the NHL. He says that his goal is to play in the NHL but that he wants to feel ready before he goes over the Atlantic and tries to get a spot.

Link (in swedish)

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Nichushkin is going to fall out of the top 10.

I could definitely see that. If Carolina passes I only see Philly and New Jersey keeping him in the top 14.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Last year alot was said about Mark Jankowski being one of the youngest draft eligible players. I believe he missed out on being eligible for he 2013 NHL draft by 1 or 2 weeks.

Some on this board were saying it was like the Flames were securing a player who would be a top 10 draft pick in the 2013 draft by drafting him in 2012.

So I am curious, if Mark Jankowski was in this years NHL draft what draft position would he be ranked at?

I think it was actually as close to a day or two from the cutoff which is sept. 15, I believe. Anyhow, I have thought about this as well, but I think what makes this murky is that Jankowski played in the NCAA this year rather than most draft comparables who played in the USHL. Had Jankowski played in the USHL as was originally speculated, I think he would have put up some pretty nice numbers and would have positioned himself nicely for a hypothetical 2013 draft.

It is really impossible to say, but I do not think Jankowski had a top ten draft pick type year in Providence. However, he seemed to have a solid first season, putting up good rookie numbers. The attributes that the Flames drafted him on seem evident based on the coaching staff comments and the highlight packages.

If Jankowski played in the USHL, I think he may have dominated that league, imposing his size, and that would have made him a very attractive pick this year. However, he would have likely hit the NCAA and had a similar year he had this year after that. Now he can hit the ground running next year. I am calling a breakout College campaign for Mr. Jankowski this coming year.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Last year alot was said about Mark Jankowski being one of the youngest draft eligible players. I believe he missed out on being eligible for he 2013 NHL draft by 1 or 2 weeks.

Some on this board were saying it was like the Flames were securing a player who would be a top 10 draft pick in the 2013 draft by drafting him in 2012.

So I am curious, if Mark Jankowski was in this years NHL draft what draft position would he be ranked at?

Well I'm fine with Jankowski based on where he was picked but a guy with those numbers and having seen him play a few times this year, probably would go 3rd round or so. Very few college freshmen at that size with those numbers have ever gone first or second round. Still thought he should have gone USHL as initially planned. Very few can make the jump from where he was playing right into college and make an impact. Very young and raw. Jury still out of course but again, a freshman putting up those numbers wouldn't go very high in the draft even at that size and upside.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Well I'm fine with Jankowski based on where he was picked but a guy with those numbers and having seen him play a few times this year, probably would go 3rd round or so. Very few college freshmen at that size with those numbers have ever gone first or second round. Still thought he should have gone USHL as initially planned. Very few can make the jump from where he was playing right into college and make an impact. Very young and raw. Jury still out of course but again, a freshman putting up those numbers wouldn't go very high in the draft even at that size and upside.

edit: nvm

[Buck Murdock]

Any chance the flames will trade for any additional picks? possibly some second rounders for Cammy/Gio/Stempniak/Tanguay?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Any chance the flames will trade for any additional picks? possibly some second rounders for Cammy/Gio/Stempniak/Tanguay?

Not sure.

9 picks is a lot though, the most we have had in one draft since it was reduced to 7 rounds. (This will be the ninth seven round draft)

My bet is if they do deal for more picks, they will start adding picks from the 2014 draft.

[Caged Great]

Jankowski would likely be in the 18-25 range.

This year though is a lot better depth wise. I'd take guys like Horvat Gauthier and Mantha over Radek Faksa from last year and he went 11th. Those three are in the 15-20 range.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Muta

It's also gross knowing that Tampa Bay finished as bad as they did. They have Stamkos and St. Louis, two of the leading scorers in the league, along with Hedman and a good group of young talent.

Calgary has a far less impressive roster and we still finish higher. That's injustice for ya.

Not true at all. Take away a few of their top guys and that's the worst roster in hockey

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Not true at all. Take away a few of their top guys and that's the worst roster in hockey

The Lightning are a funny franchise. They have a knack for getting their hands on superstars, but they can't afford to put together a real NHL roster if they keep them. It's gonna be funny when they have to move Hedman in order to keep both Stamkos and Drouin.

[handgroen]

Posted this is in the monahan vs lindholm thread but i'll post it here too.

When we talk about the need for size, and monahan being the bigger player, we need to keep in mind that monahan is only 2 inches taller and they are the same weight @ 195lbs
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sweden-...184824712.html

“In the elite league all the (defencemen) and players are strong,” said the 6-foot, 194-pound centre. “You need to protect the puck a lot and that’s helped me a lot.”

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...-monahan-have/

and at 6’2”, 193 pounds he has the size that Edmonton typically covets.

lindholm is in no way a lightweight or a soft touch.

[handgroen]

i have a trade proposal

To Buffalo
STL pick
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
8h overall pick
Tyler Myers

Buffalo gets out from under the myers contract with 6 yrs remaining @ 5.5M
Myers gets a fresh start which he may welcome at this point
Buffalo gets a 1st back and essentially moves down
Buffalo gets a very promising young d-man who is an RFA and can have his contract negotiated to suit team needs.
The flames get bigger, like waaaay bigger and Myers i believe will rebound to have a nice career.
The flames draft again at 8th allowing them (hopefully) to get both lindholm and monahan


pipedream?

[calumniate]

That Barkov guy looks filthy but think I'll be happy with Monohan or Lindholm..

I blame this debacle on Steve "2 goals in one game" Begin!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by handgroen

i have a trade proposal

To Buffalo
STL pick
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
8h overall pick
Tyler Myers

Buffalo gets out from under the myers contract with 6 yrs remaining @ 5.5M
Myers gets a fresh start which he may welcome at this point
Buffalo gets a 1st back and essentially moves down
Buffalo gets a very promising young d-man who is an RFA and can have his contract negotiated to suit team needs.
The flames get bigger, like waaaay bigger and Myers i believe will rebound to have a nice career.
The flames draft again at 8th allowing them (hopefully) to get both lindholm and monahan


pipedream?

No chance in hell Buffalo does that.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No chance in hell Buffalo does that.

what would we have to add?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by handgroen

Buffalo gets out from under the myers contract with 6 yrs remaining @ 5.5M

Pegula is something of a vanity owner isn't he... you know one of those guys who cares less about the money and owns the team as a kind of vanity project rich-guy's toy no?

Might not care about getting out from under the Myers contract. Besides which I'd rather like to keep TJ... don't want to fill a hole by creating another one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by handgroen

what would we have to add?

More. Myers has not been great of late but given his talent there is no way Buffalo gives up on him yet. I am not sure we could pry Myers out of Bullalo let alone them throw a higher draft pick to us. I like Brodie but I think most GM's would rate Myers quite a bit ahead of him.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

More. Myers has not been great of late but given his talent there is no way Buffalo gives up on him yet. I am not sure we could pry Myers out of Bullalo let alone them throw a higher draft pick to us. I like Brodie but I think most GM's would rate Myers quite a bit ahead of him.

what if it's both of our late picks ?
change anything?
it would be essentially be
brodie for myers then the 2 firsts to move up.
in my mind it works because
8th > stl pick and pitt pick
brodie > myers+contract anchor

[Wolven]

I figured I would re-post this from the Blues/Kings playoff thread as it is a best case playoff scenario for the Flames drafting.

Originally Posted by Wolven

Currently the STL pick is at 23rd, but that is just going off of the standings and completely ignoring the results of the playoffs.

Spoiler!

1 p - Chicago 30
2 z - Pittsburgh 29
3 y - Anaheim 28
4 y - Montréal 27
8 y - Vancouver 26
10 y - Washington 25
5 x - Boston 24
6 x - St. Louis 23
7 x - Los Angeles 22
9 x - Toronto 21
11 x - San Jose 20
12 x - NY Rangers 19
13 x - Detroit 18
14 x - Ottawa 17
15 x - Minnesota 16
16 x - NY Islanders 15

In an ideal situation for the Flames we would see STL get eliminated immediately and hope for 2 non-division champion conference finals.

For example, if we end up with BOS vs OTT and LAK vs DET for the conference finals then the Blues pick would drop to 20th.

Spoiler!

5 x - Boston 30
7 x - Los Angeles 29
13 x - Detroit 28
14 x - Ottawa 27
1 p - Chicago 26
2 z - Pittsburgh 25
3 y - Anaheim 24
4 y - Montréal 23
8 y - Vancouver 22
10 y - Washington 21
6 x - St. Louis 20
9 x - Toronto 19
11 x - San Jose 18
12 x - NY Rangers 17
15 x - Minnesota 16
16 x - NY Islanders 15

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Not true at all. Take away a few of their top guys and that's the worst roster in hockey

No, not really. Plus, why take away those few guys? That's... part of their roster. You don't just 'take' them away and then try to formulate an argument.