Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[PlayfulGenius]

Is there any reasonable way for the Flames to pick up a 4th pick in the first round? ... Other than moving down with their first pick

I think it's more likely to see them move a roster player for a 2nd round pick at the draft.

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Say Calgary wins the lottery. We move from say... 6th to first. Is there absolutely any reason for us to trade down? If Colorado is in 4th do we trade with them and take Barkov? Or do we draft Jones/Mackinnon and run?

Unless we drop down one spot to give Colorado/Florida Jones and get something else out of it like a 2nd. Otherwise no.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Is there any reasonable way for the Flames to pick up a 4th pick in the first round? ... Other than moving down with their first pick

I think it's more likely to see them move a roster player for a 2nd round pick at the draft.

The Penguins pick is essentially like getting an early 2nd round pick. If the Flames won the lottery I believe they would have a lot of options to secure multiple picks but the lottery chances are slim and for all we know they may take Jones if given the opportunity. None of us really know who the Flames braintrust really covets and in what order. I feel they do covet one of the top 3/4 players considering the lineup they just iced against the Predators which management viewed as a must-lose game.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by sa226

Does any other team have 3 or more 1st round picks?

Columbus has theirs, LA's and NYR's

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Is there any reasonable way for the Flames to pick up a 4th pick in the first round? ... Other than moving down with their first pick

I think it's more likely to see them move a roster player for a 2nd round pick at the draft.

Tanguay, Cammy or Gio could fetch a 1st at the deadline me thinks. Tanguay would likely be a second and we might have to retain a million or so of Cammys salary. But its doable. Tanguay and Cammy would both have more value at the deadline though.

[azzarish]

If we lose in regulation tonight we are guaranteed at drafting 8th.

We would finish 7th lowest because we wouldn't catch any of the teams above us, and if a team higher than us wins the draft lottery we get bumped down to 8th.

Really hoping a team below us wins the lottery (if we don't win it), to avoid moving us down a spot. In all likelihood the chances are that will happen, and we don't get pushed down.

So regulation loss tonight = lock to draft 8th

Now its all about moving to that 4th/5th/6th/7th spot.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Is there any reasonable way for the Flames to pick up a 4th pick in the first round? ... Other than moving down with their first pick

I think it's more likely to see them move a roster player for a 2nd round pick at the draft.

Don't see any assets on the Flames worth more then a 2nd rounder right now. Of course what you could try to do is find a team that would...

A: Want one of those asset
B: Has a first round pick
C: Has cap issues
D: Has dead money players
E: Would prefer to trade a pick for the asset rather then use a compliance buyout

Then offer to trade your asset (Tanguay would fit best since he doesn't have a large AAV attached to his contract) for their first plus their dead money.

Hard to find that particular combination.

[FurnaceFace]

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Muta

We win the lottery, I think we make a gentleman's agreement with Colorado and Florida that we trade down, draft MacKinnon (leaving Jones / Drouin for Florida / Colorado) and get a 2nd rounder out of this mess. That'll be almost like a late first, given it's probably #32 or #33.

already addressed

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

While I tend to agree, 9/10 times I would have said the Flames would lose to the Wild and the Wings...I don't think its far fetched to expect an upset or two in the final couple games for teams below us.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Tanguay, Cammy or Gio could fetch a 1st at the deadline me thinks. Tanguay would likely be a second and we might have to retain a million or so of Cammys salary. But its doable. Tanguay and Cammy would both have more value at the deadline though.

I doubt i would be an early 1st

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

I am trying to remain optimistic about our draft position. It's absolutely possible that you're right and we end up 7th overall, but Chicago really strikes me as a team that plays to win every game. They just beat the Oilers in a game was equally unimportant. PLus this is their last home game before the playoffs, they probably want to go out with a bang. I also remember Vancouver kicked the crap out of Calgary a couple years ago in a similarly meaningless game.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

While I tend to agree, 9/10 times I would have said the Flames would lose to the Wild and the Wings...I don't think its far fetched to expect an upset or two in the final couple games for teams below us.

Agreed. Though its just as likely we upset STL or CHI. Hopefully not, but I could see it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I am trying to remain optimistic about our draft position. It's absolutely possible that you're right and we end up 7th overall, but Chicago really strikes me as a team that plays to win every game. They just beat the Oilers in a game was equally unimportant. PLus this is their last home game before the playoffs, they probably want to go out with a bang. I also remember Vancouver kicked the crap out of Calgary a couple years ago in a similarly meaningless game.

That game clinched the President's Trophy and home ice through the playoffs.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

Yeah, barring a jump over NJ and Buffalo, we are settled in to the 6-7 spot. Jones/Mac/Barkov/Douin will all be gone before our pick... :'(

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by nik-

That game clinched the President's Trophy and home ice through the playoffs.

It is less likely a team would field a garbage roster at home but they may sit out a guy or two and with Emery hurt they could start some goalie from the minors.

Yeah, barring a jump over NJ and Buffalo, we are settled in to the 6-7 spot. Jones/Mac/Barkov/Douin will all be gone before our pick... :'(

Love how its assumed that its possible that we pass teams four points ahead of us but impossible for teams one point behind us to pass us. Particularly when the Flames are playing the better teams.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Don't see any assets on the Flames worth more then a 2nd rounder right now. Of course what you could try to do is find a team that would...

A: Want one of those asset
B: Has a first round pick
C: Has cap issues
D: Has dead money players
E: Would prefer to trade a pick for the asset rather then use a compliance buyout

Then offer to trade your asset (Tanguay would fit best since he doesn't have a large AAV attached to his contract) for their first plus their dead money.

Hard to find that particular combination.

Glencross and Giordano would both be worth 1st rounders IMO. However I think they are both unlikely to be moved.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

Although it is possible we fall to 28th, and 3rd overall pick (Guraunteed 4th), I agree it is highly unlikely. That would Require a win by Carolina, Edmonton, Nashville and 2 wins by Tampa.
I expect St. louis to destroy us tonight, as a win could move them to 4th in the west (if they win their final 2 they clinch 4th), and as meaningless as the game is to Chicago on saturday, I still expect them to dominate us.
Carolina plays a Rangers team fighting for a playoff spot, followed by Pittsburgh who has already clinched the division, Hopefully they can pick up a win against the Pens.
Edmonton Has Minnesota, who is still looking to clinch, followed by the Canucks, who have clinched the NW, hopefully Edmonton wins that one.
Nashville however plays Detroit and Columbus, 2 teams both fighting for 8th. would love to see Nashville upset Detroit, and Columbus sneak in.
Tampa has Boston who has clinched, but is looking to hold on to home ice advantage and seal up the division lead, and then Florida. 1 win leaves them in a tie, which leaves the Flames ahead of them based on ROW.
I'm expecting a guarunteed top 6, with Carolina and Edmonton finishing with 43 points. This would give us an 8.1% lottery chance.
With a top 6 pick, who are we most likely to see dawn a Flames Jersey on draft day?
I would like to think Monahan, as Mackinnon, Barkov, Jones and Drouin should go top 5. Nichushkin is a risk, and Nurse isn't what we need.
If Monahan goes in the top 5, do they look at Lindholm or Domi ahead of Nurse?
With St. Louis' pick do we target a defender in the 16-20 range? Someone like Morrissey or Ristolainen?
And with pittsburgh's pick, is a guy like Petan still available? Zykov is another option for size on the wing. I think he'd line up nice with Reinhart...

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Glencross and Giordano would both be worth 1st rounders IMO. However I think they are both unlikely to be moved.

Part of me would've really loved to see what a guy like Glencross could've brought at the deadline.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

I hope most posters realize we're not going to stray far from our current 7th overall position given the remaining schedule of the teams below us. The only team that could make a jump is Tampa since they play Florida and perhaps Carolina wins one of their final two. Too many bottom teams playing too many teams in a dogfight for playoff positions though for a possible easy win. In my mind we're as likely to win one of our last two as anyone. that Chicago game isn't important to them. As a result, the fantasy of the 1st overall isn't really worth getting excited about.

In the past 5 days:

Coyotes def. Blackhawks
Avs def. Blues
Devils def. Habs
Hurricanes def. Islanders
Sabers def. Pens
Flyers def. Bruins
Panthers def. Rangers
Lightning def. Leafs
Coyotes def. Sharks

Even if there was some benefit to not getting one's hopes up (which I find very dubious), there isn't much reason to presume the outcomes of these games.