Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Would you take that deal if we were in the top 3?

I'd consider it if I'm NSH...FLA and COL are already deep in young players, so I'm not thinkin they'd choose depth of the higher pick. Perhaps TBL would be better off with the 3 picks as well.

The depth of this draft makes it a better draft to trade down, as long as one pick remains in the Top 8 or so, it seems.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Stop with all the trade up talk. There is no combination of assets that we have that that would be worth giving up to trade us into the top 4 picks. Teams will have no incentive to trade down in a draft like this. It's a relatively deep draft but there's a big drop off out of the top 4. History indicates that trading into the top four is nigh impossible.

i dont expect to see us picking in the top 4 anymore, thats a pipe dream. But what i could see us realistically doing is trading STL + Pitt picks to move up into the 10-15 range to go along with our 6-8 pick. In a deep draft it makes sense for a team to trade down and for us to move up if there is a player we have determined is worth a ~22+30 pick.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Would you take that deal if we were in the top 3?

We wouldn't because I think we need quality over quantity.

I think most teams would take quality over quantity. But there could be some exceptions.

Take EDM for example. How many star forwards can they really keep long term? If they are drafting at 5 do they take yet another forward? Or do they take a d-man slightly earlier than some have them ranked? Or would they consider trading down 2-3 spots for another 1st rounder?

EDM's problem doesn't seem to be elite quality forward talent. They've got Eberle, Hall, RNH and Yakupov. They need depth and they need D. Trading down might help them accomplish both.

[Cheerio]

Trading up is ridiculous with all the holes we have in this organization. My ideal draft would be

CGY: Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin
STL: Ristolainen, Morrissey, Domi, Gauthier
PIT: Compher, Hagg, Lazar, Zykov

Do Not Want: Shinkaruk, Fucale, Subban

[dying4acup]

What I want to see in summary of the first round, is 2 centers and one defenseman. Failing that, one center, one winger and one defenseman.

Or mackinnon and nothing else!!

[FightinSioux]

CGY 1st - Valery Nichushkin RW (ranked 4 on TSN I skater)
STL 1st - Fredric Gauthier C (ranked 7 on TSN NA skater)
PIT 1st - Alexander Wennberg C (ranked 8 on TSN I skater)
CGY 3rd - Adam Tambellini C (ranked 62 on TSN NA skater)

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Stop with all the trade up talk. There is no combination of assets that we have that that would be worth giving up to trade us into the top 4 picks. Teams will have no incentive to trade down in a draft like this. It's a relatively deep draft but there's a big drop off out of the top 4. History indicates that trading into the top four is nigh impossible.

You are wrong.

If they get down to 1-2-3, Carolina most definitely will, unless they can get Seth jones.

Also, I'm pretty sure Colorado will trade down if they cannot draft jones.

Edmonton would likely trade down if the had a competent GM. The new guy said he wants to take risks! He might trade edmonton's pick for Cory Sarich, (or any other defenseman).

I have no clue what Poile is targeting, but I suspect it is Nurse. If he is gone, I bet Nashville moves a few spots.

Philly is an eternal wildcard. They could trade the farm for #1, but they could trade out of the first round entirely.

My point is that, with my limited hockey knowledge, I can think of many scenarios whet teams are willing to trade now

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Trading up is ridiculous with all the holes we have in this organization. My ideal draft would be

CGY: Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin
STL: Ristolainen, Morrissey, Domi, Gauthier
PIT: Compher, Hagg, Lazar, Zykov

Do Not Want: Shinkaruk, Fucale, Subban

Except we're likely not going to get any of your ideal players with our first pick at this point. So trading up isn't ridiculous if it gets us a high end center.

[dammage79]

Good news is there are a few of teams that will be drafting ahead of the Flames that should be looking for D.

CAR, EDM (probably will pick a wet sponge they found in the cafeteria though), COL. Tampa Bay I see going with BPA and Nashville will be picking a forward most likely.

So hopefully those three teams end up taking Nurse, Pulock, Ristolainen, Zadorov. Bumping more than a few desired Centers to the Flames pick. Hopefully.

Jumping up two spots if needed shouldn't cost the Flames the Pitt or St.Louis pick. maybe the third and a fifth if a team wants to stock up on assets.

Will be a fun draft day to watch.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by nik-

Except we're likely not going to get any of your ideal players with our first pick at this point. So trading up isn't ridiculous if it gets us a high end center.

Really? I highly doubt we'll be picking lower than 8th

Top 4: MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov

Next 4: Nichushkin, Lindholm, Nurse, Monahan

I'm willing to bet multiple teams are targeting Nurse higher than some of the forwards so I'd say it's fairly likely that one of the 3 is available with our pick. Even if not Nurse is one hell of a consolation prize.

[Da_Chief]

Nichushkin seems like a real nice talent but just too RISKY! Stay away, we need a potential franchise player that is almost a guarantee (I know there are no guarantees) so taking a Russian who might not come over or take few years to come over can really mess this up.

If its between Nurse and Nichushkin, I'll go Nurse 9/10.

We have too many holes to fill, won't do it with one pick. So lets take BPA and build up.

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Would you take that deal if we were in the top 3?

I prefaced my comment saying I was biased haha. Maybe more realistically we'd need to include Sven.

[Bonded]

Big night for draft position. Let's hope for wins by the teams below us!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

If its between Nurse and Nichushkin, I'll go Nurse 9/10.

Have to agree here, I think the guy definately has the wow factor but he hasn´t really played much against men and there´s the russian factor, which both leave some questionmarks atleast in my mind.

The last years first round pick was already a risk, taking another one in a row just wouldn´t make much sense.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

You are wrong.

If they get down to 1-2-3, Carolina most definitely will, unless they can get Seth jones.

Also, I'm pretty sure Colorado will trade down if they cannot draft jones.

Edmonton would likely trade down if the had a competent GM. The new guy said he wants to take risks! He might trade edmonton's pick for Cory Sarich, (or any other defenseman).

I have no clue what Poile is targeting, but I suspect it is Nurse. If he is gone, I bet Nashville moves a few spots.

Philly is an eternal wildcard. They could trade the farm for #1, but they could trade out of the first round entirely.

My point is that, with my limited hockey knowledge, I can think of many scenarios whet teams are willing to trade now

i honestly cant tell if this is all highly sarcastic, or completely serious...

Fact is, there just wont be that much movement in the top 10 let alone the top 5.

[GGG]

The only trade I see would be Carolina and it would cost us Glencross and the Pitt 1st. Carolina needs cheap effective 2nd line bodies and defensemen. If Jones is gone they still need to draft a defensemen.

So at 2/3/4 they may be looking to trade down a few spots. So if we had 6 or 7 it might be possible. If we are at 10 there is no way. Also we would need Glencross to waive.

Even so I don't think I do that trade as we give up too much when the top 7 guys are all pretty good so getting Barkov over Monahan / Lindholm if we are out of the top 7 and actully need to move up no one will be interested because of the drop off after that point.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Big night for draft position. Let's hope for wins by the teams below us!

I think at this point we're just hoping for wins for teams ahead of us. The only team below us we can catch at this point is Edmonton.

[shutout]

Based on who might realistically be available.
Order of how I would pick them.

First pick

Lindholm
Monahan
Zadorov
Nurse
Ristolainen
Nichushkin

Second pick

Gauthier
(trade Blues and Penguins first round picks to Canadiens’ for their first and second round pick and second round picks from the Flames and Predators)
Mantha
Lazar
Wennberg
Hagg

Third pick

(Trade Penguins first round pick to Canadiens’ for the Flames and Predators second round picks)
Zykov
Mueller
Rychel
De La Rose
Morin
Petan
Bailey


Third round pick

Cammarata
Moutrey
Heatherington
Jarry

[shutout]

Unless you are going to overpay to get into the top three than I dont think that there is enough of a difference in talent to give up additional assets. Its not like Calgary is flush with defensemen that you cant accept taking one if all of the centermen are gone. Preference would be a center, but if they do all go by the time we pick than grab one of the big defensemen and hold onto the other draft assets.

The only player that I would absolutely need to be available to not trade down with the Blues pick is Gauthier. With it looking less likely that we get one of the middle three prospect centers, it becomes important for the club to try and draft Gauthier. If we cant then the rest of the prospects are so close that we should try to gather as many assets as possible.

[Ashasx]

We simply should not be trading down in this draft.

The only way we should be acquiring more picks is by trading players like Tanguay.