Human Foot sent to Tory Headquarters

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Parallex

How long does it take for a package to get from Montreal to Washington? Just wondering if maybe he sent the head to Obama.

I would imagine that a box from Canada addressed to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would get scrutinized at customs. Don't think it would ever make it to DC.

[CaptainCrunch]

He tossed the head into a forest, or dropped it to the bottom of the lakes probably hoped that nobody would be able to identify the body without it.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I would imagine that a box from Canada addressed to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would get scrutinized at customs. Don't think it would ever make it to DC.

Good point... To the Queen/Wills and Kate then maybe? I find it doubtful he mailed the feet/hands but not the head, given that the ones sent to Vancouver arrived the head must have been mailed some place even further and/or more complicated. Given his desire for attention you gotta figure he'd send them to a public figure/place.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

He tossed the head into a forest, or dropped it to the bottom of the lakes probably hoped that nobody would be able to identify the body without it.

I don't buy it, If his desire was to not have the body be identifiable you kind of figure that he wouldn't send the hands (finger-prints).

[Jacks]

The lawyer is already asking for a psych evaluation. He'll be applying for unescorted day passes in 3 years.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Jacks

The lawyer is already asking for a psych evaluation. He'll be applying for unescorted day passes in 3 years.

And the CP bleeding hearts will defend him and make him the victim of his mental illness.

[Senator Clay Davis]

No shot he'll be declared insane. Insane people aren't sane enough to think of how to flee and disguise themselves. He'll get the Bernardo treatment with life no parole. He likes to look pretty so he'll be well liked.

[Ozy_Flame]

He's too kniving and his actions too pre-meditated to consider being declared insane. Eccentric and narcisisstic, yes, but not insane. I think the judge will see through him like seran wrap.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

He's too kniving

Freudian.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by pylon

And the CP bleeding hearts will defend him and make him the victim of his mental illness.

Do you really not understand anything about mental illnesses at all? This guy is right messed in the head, but there has been nothing to date to indicate that he has a mental illness such as schizophrenia. But then again I guess having a base knowledge and some empathy classifies me as a bleeding heart.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Do you really not understand anything about mental illnesses at all? This guy is right messed in the head, but there has been nothing to date to indicate that he has a mental illness such as schizophrenia. But then again I guess having a base knowledge and some empathy classifies me as a bleeding heart.

Why do people falling for this? I'm sure pylon even know he is over exaggerating the situation a bit but can you blame him? The Canadian Justice system has and continues to make a joke out of breaking the law.

Look even as close as the riots in Vancouver and what a joke that has been, let along something where someone is losing a life. Regardless of mental illness you should go away just as long as a sane person, that can be in jail or a mental institute. But don't claim some medication will solve the problem when a couple days without will flip a switch.

Even personal experience with friends has showed me what a joke it is. And these are friends I'm glad are out but at the same time don't believe they should be because of the act they committed, especially when compared to others who go away for much longer for very minor crimes on people.

[pylon]

Thanks HOOT. My view, and my point is exactly that. I do understand that some people are mentally ill and cannot control their actions. That is not my problem, and it shouldn't be the problem of society in general. Your brain is broken, and that is just too bad for you. I am really sorry you were born with this horrible affliction, but you are not fit, nor safe, to be roaming the streets, if going off your meds, means stabby corpse meal time. Period. You are too much of a risk, and liability to society.

Your brain and body has done something so horribly unforgivable, you do not deserve life or freedom. If I wigged out like that for any reason, and did something so heinous, as a result of mental illness. The first unsupervised, lucid, moment I had, I would save the tax payers, and the penal system a hug chunk of money. I could never live with myself if I unknowingly did something like that, and I would never want to be free, let alone live.

I know this opinion is not popular, but it makes me sick to my stomach, when you see the commiter of a crime like this, get so much coddling, and support from the justice and health care system, while there is a mother out there, being basically told by the government to "mind your own business, we know better." when that monster ate her son. He will eventually live as a free man, while the family, will forever suffer knowing what he did. He may not be at fault for what he did (I disagree as it was his responsibility to take his meds.) But neither is it the fault of the family who will forever suffer, or the son, who was partially turned into human feces, and doesn't even have the chance to suffer.

My question is this. What happens if Luka Magnotta, is diagnosed with Schizophrenia? Is he all of a sudden given a pass by everyone? Why is it any different if he suffers one mental illness, but not another? Anyone who did what he did is mentally sick to a degree. What if he suffered horrible abuse as a child, and became this monster as a result? Is that his fault? Or should it be his abuser who is responsible?

I am sorry, if you sympathize with the Schizophrenic cannibal, you have to sympathize with the psychopathic cannibal. Both are mentally ill, and both never grew up with the intention of being that way.

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by pylon

Thanks HOOT. My view, and my point is exactly that. I do understand that some people are mentally ill and cannot control their actions. That is not my problem, and it shouldn't be the problem of society in general. Your brain is broken, and that is just too bad for you. I am really sorry you were born with this horrible affliction, but you are not fit, nor safe, to be roaming the streets, if going off your meds, means stabby corpse meal time. Period. You are too much of a risk, and liability to society.

Your brain and body has done something so horribly unforgivable, you do not deserve life or freedom. If I wigged out like that for any reason, and did something so heinous, as a result of mental illness. The first unsupervised, lucid, moment I had, I would save the tax payers, and the penal system a hug chunk of money. I could never live with myself if I unknowingly did something like that, and I would never want to be free, let alone live.

I know this opinion is not popular, but it makes me sick to my stomach, when you see the commiter of a crime like this, get so much coddling, and support from the justice and health care system, while there is a mother out there, being basically told by the government to "mind your own business, we know better." when that monster ate her son. He will eventually live as a free man, while the family, will forever suffer knowing what he did. He may not be at fault for what he did (I disagree as it was his responsibility to take his meds.) But neither is it the fault of the family who will forever suffer, or the son, who was partially turned into human feces, and doesn't even have the chance to suffer.

My question is this. What happens if Luka Magnotta, is diagnosed with Schizophrenia? Is he all of a sudden given a pass by everyone? Why is it any different if he suffers one mental illness, but not another? Anyone who did what he did is mentally sick to a degree. What if he suffered horrible abuse as a child, and became this monster as a result? Is that his fault? Or should it be his abuser who is responsible?

I am sorry, if you sympathize with the Schizophrenic cannibal, you have to sympathize with the psychopathic cannibal. Both are mentally ill, and both never grew up with the intention of being that way.

I couldn't agree more with all of this. Thanks Pylon!

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am sorry, if you sympathize with the Schizophrenic cannibal, you have to sympathize with the psychopathic cannibal.

Wow... that's the singular most ignorant thing I've ever read.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Wow... that's the singular most ignorant thing I've ever read.

pylon has never been one to let ignorance get in the way of a good rant.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by pylon

Thanks HOOT. My view, and my point is exactly that. I do understand that some people are mentally ill and cannot control their actions. That is not my problem, and it shouldn't be the problem of society in general. Your brain is broken, and that is just too bad for you. I am really sorry you were born with this horrible affliction, but you are not fit, nor safe, to be roaming the streets, if going off your meds, means stabby corpse meal time. Period. You are too much of a risk, and liability to society.

What if someone is on a community treatment order in which they are monitored in order to ensure that they are taking their medications on a scheduled time and that people who are trained are able to see if there are any side effects and the like. People with schizophrenia are able to lead healthy productive lives with the assistance of medication. While I agree that it would need to be implemented with strict guidelines, a timetable and preferably a monitoring system but I do think it is better than locking someone up for an indeterminate amount of time because of something that they did when they weren't really themselves.

Originally Posted by Pylon

Your brain and body has done something so horribly unforgivable, you do not deserve life or freedom. If I wigged out like that for any reason, and did something so heinous, as a result of mental illness. The first unsupervised, lucid, moment I had, I would save the tax payers, and the penal system a hug chunk of money. I could never live with myself if I unknowingly did something like that, and I would never want to be free, let alone live.

I know this opinion is not popular, but it makes me sick to my stomach, when you see the commiter of a crime like this, get so much coddling, and support from the justice and health care system, while there is a mother out there, being basically told by the government to "mind your own business, we know better." when that monster ate her son. He will eventually live as a free man, while the family, will forever suffer knowing what he did. He may not be at fault for what he did (I disagree as it was his responsibility to take his meds.) But neither is it the fault of the family who will forever suffer, or the son, who was partially turned into human feces, and doesn't even have the chance to suffer.

Okay I understand that and the initial reaction is for someone to get their pound of flesh because it obviously was a horrific crime and I really do empathize with the family of the victim as well but I also do see Li as a victim in this situation, in a different sense but a victim of himself and his body in a way. The situation does show that there is a lack of mental healths services more than anything that could help prevent these incidents in the future.

My question is this. What happens if Luka Magnotta, is diagnosed with Schizophrenia? Is he all of a sudden given a pass by everyone? Why is it any different if he suffers one mental illness, but not another? Anyone who did what he did is mentally sick to a degree. What if he suffered horrible abuse as a child, and became this monster as a result? Is that his fault? Or should it be his abuser who is responsible?

If he is able to determine right from wrong then that is where the free pass ends. He obviously had the foresight to lure someone to an area, murder them on camera, upload the video onto the internet, mail body parts to different addresses in Canada, flee the country, look up stories of himself on the internet... the situations are not similar in the least in my opinion. It is likely that this guy has had a long history in which he was likely sexually assaulted based on his past employment as a prostitute, but from what I can determine from this case he was still able to differentiate right from wrong.

That is ignoring the fact that there is no real effective treatment for what this guy has regardless.

I am sorry, if you sympathize with the Schizophrenic cannibal, you have to sympathize with the psychopathic cannibal. Both are mentally ill, and both never grew up with the intention of being that way.

How are they the same at all? One has a biochemical imbalance in the brain the other at least from the outside just appears to be a bad nutcase.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Wow... that's the singular most ignorant thing I've ever read.

psy·cho·path   [sahy-kuh-path] Show IPA
noun
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

If someone lacks the ability to act in a moral way, is that their fault they lack that ability? Why can people not sympathize with someone in that position? They cannot change or control it.

That is what I am failing to grasp. It seems very hypocritical to chastise one person who has a brain disease, and not another. Pedophiles cannot control their feelings either, and we all know how the torches and pitchforks come out for them. It's not their fault their brain is wired that way, is it?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by pylon

psy·cho·path   [sahy-kuh-path] Show IPA
noun
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

If someone lacks the ability to act in a moral way, is that their fault they lack that ability? Why can people not sympathize with someone in that position? They cannot change or control it.

That is what I am failing to grasp. It seems very hypocritical to chastise one person who has a brain disease, and not another. Pedophiles cannot control their feelings either, and we all know how the torches and pitchforks come out for them. It's not their fault their brain is wired that way, is it?

Are they still able to differentiate between right and wrong, reality and hallucinations, logical thoughts and delusions?

Personality disorders are notoriously difficult to diagnose from every psychiatrist that I have talked to by the way.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

While I agree that it would need to be implemented with strict guidelines, a timetable and preferably a monitoring system but I do think it is better than locking someone up for an indeterminate amount of time because of something that they did when they weren't really themselves.

If I pounded back a 26 of rye, and threw back a bunch of uppers (sorry, I am not familiar with drug lingo) knocked on my neighbours door, hacked their heads off and ate them, I would be jailed for life. But I wasn't myself when I did it? Was I? In my eyes, it is exactly the same level of irresponsibility, as a man who neglected his responsibility to take his medication, that prevents him from violent, murderous, thoughts and outbursts.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Freudian.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What if someone is on a community treatment order in which they are monitored in order to ensure that they are taking their medications on a scheduled time and that people who are trained are able to see if there are any side effects and the like. People with schizophrenia are able to lead healthy productive lives with the assistance of medication. While I agree that it would need to be implemented with strict guidelines, a timetable and preferably a monitoring system but I do think it is better than locking someone up for an indeterminate amount of time because of something that they did when they weren't really themselves.

And how much is this trained person going to cost compared to them being locked up knowing almost certainly they will never be able to attack? What is the trained specialist doesn't notice in time or is so over worked missed the signs? I get the comfort of his or her sorry if that person happens to kill someone I know?

I understand there are many people with schizophrenia who live normal lives but honest question, I don't know where to find the answer. How many mentally ill people who have committed murder currently live a normal life compared to those who reoffend in some way?

I'm not saying you lock them all up (#### aren't we all a little crazy?) but it should be similar justice for sane and insane. If you are insane you get help in a hospital but if you are well enough to be in public after taking a life than you can finish your time in a jail. Prove in there you can take your meds every day and you will behave, not a practice run in my backyard.