Man who didn't father twins must pay child support

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by stang

What about a woman with kids whose husband dies? Can the courts make a stranger pay some expenses? That would be in the best intrests of the kids?

Ok that may be a little extreme, but how about saddling a close family friend with child support? What if he is really close to the kids? You hear people saying all the time..." Mr. Johnson was like a father to me when I was growing up" Legally it seems if its in the best interest of the kids, he could be paying child support?

Bullspit

Oh I totally understand that this provision chides an innocent person unjustly in my view.

I'm interested in hearing if there's a marcro-societal level justification for this in legal circles. Something along the lines of "Well person X did decide to marry person Y and excercising that judgement makes person X somewhat less innocent than Children, whose only offense was that they were born . . . .or that in the eyes of high-level legal types it was determined that the damage to society overall is less by punishing an innocent man, than deny said children the necessities of meaningful fully developed childhood and post-secondary education because their mother was a sketch-job.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

Prove it. I don't buy that at all.

You might find some evidence that male and female judges side with women litigants.

In these situations, the man always seems to be guilty until proven innocent. And it seems the most atrocious decisions are made by female judges. I suppose perception becomes reality in the case of my argument.

Of course, the problem with the rights of the kids always coming first, which I don't disagree with, is the implied argument is that the woman is unable to raise her kids without his support. If she actually cares about her children at all, she'd do just that if necessary.

But, I stand by my original argument. He's raised the kids for 16 years, let him pay for them for two more. Then give him the right to go after the mother for every single penny he was robbed of. Once the kids are adults, they live their own lives, and the victim can then go after the criminal for compensation.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by stang

Would he have stayed for 16 years if he would have known from the begining that she was a filthy cheating dirty whore?

Have kids?

[burn_this_city]

I agree with Resolute, if you got swindled you should be able to reclaim your money that was fraudulently taken once the children are gone.

[Traditional_Ale]

Trying to imagine being in this situation....

I'd hire a hitman, have the dirty whore taken-out, and collect her life-insurance as settlement. Guy gets his money, kids get post-secondary school and never have to learn the truth about what an insidious disease their mother was.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by habernac

sometimes it's a little more difficult than that. An aquaintance of mine has no idea who his biological father is. His Mom guessed it could have been any one of half a dozen people. Yikes.

How does this happen?

Like 6 guys within the span of 2-3 weeks?

[Thunderball]

This is such a repugnant and complicated case.

The Father Figure is considered to a parent to the children, and logically would have to help support them until they are no longer dependants. Child's rights supercede. That makes total sense to me.

What does not make sense is why the father can not sue the mother and her "sperm donor" (if he can be found) for fraud and negligence once the kids are off the books to recoup his losses and gain justice for her wrongdoing.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

How does this happen?

Like 6 guys within the span of 2-3 weeks?

You're clearly behind on your Maury episodes. They've had episodes of "Who is the father" where the woman brings in 8 guys and DNA tests them and none of them are the father.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

How does this happen?

Like 6 guys within the span of 2-3 weeks?

Just as easily as a guy can conceivably lay 20-30 girls in a month, a woman can lay 20-30 guys even easier.

Lets face it, lots of guys and girls are sluts.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Trying to imagine being in this situation....

I'd hire a hitman, have the dirty whore taken-out, and collect her life-insurance as settlement. Guy gets his money, kids get post-secondary school and never have to learn the truth about what an insidious disease their mother was.

Trouble is, even Officer Homer Simpson could crack that case in a week. No average person could hire a hitman without leaving a blip. Especially when said person would immediately be the prime suspect.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

This is such a repugnant and complicated case.

The Father Figure is considered to a parent to the children, and logically would have to help support them until they are no longer dependants. Child's rights supercede. That makes total sense to me.

What does not make sense is why the father can not sue the mother and her "sperm donor" (if he can be found) for fraud and negligence. to recoup his losses and gain justice for her wrongdoing.

The whole point of the case was to increase child support payments I thought. By allowing him to sue her your just offsetting the increased payments because if he wins the lawsuit she'd have to pay damages and the money ends up back with him. The solution to this problem is to do what Resolute says and allow him to sue once the kids are adults.

I agree with Captain Crunch's position for a couple reasons but that will probably stir some debate here. One is that the kids are 16 and therefore old enough to get a part-time job, which I realise in the eyes of the law is irrelevant but it shouldn't be irrelevant. There's a big difference between a kid under the age of 15 and one over the age of 15- yes they are not adults but they are still able to be employed..

Furthermore this case was about increasing child support payments (if I've followed along correctly in the thread w/o actually reading the decision). The one thing that's always bugged me about child support payments is how do the courts know the money is being used towards the children or for the children.

How do we know mom isn't going and getting her hair done w/ the increased funds?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Trouble is, even Officer Homer Simpson could crack that case in a week. No average person could hire a hitman without leaving a blip. Especially when said person would immediately be the prime suspect.

It was an experiment in not using the green text.

I FAIL!!!

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The solution to this problem is to do what Resolute says and allow him to sue once the kids are adults.

Sorry, thats what I meant. I'll change my post.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

It was an experiment in not using the green text.

I FAIL!!!

Hah!

Unfortunately, situations like this can and do lead to the ex killing the other, by hitman or themselves. Kind of makes you question if the current setup actually makes the aggrieved sides whole.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Have kids?

Yup... 1 daughter and 1 (unknown) on the way.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by stang

Yup... 1 daughter and 1 (unknown) on the way.

And you're telling me that if you found out, 10 years from now, that your daughter wasn't yours you wouldn't feel obligated to support her financially and emotionally?

Come on.

I have a step-daughter. I've been in her life since she started walking. If my wife and I split there would be no difference in my level of pain or responsibility between her and my son. None whatsoever.

What the court decides is one thing, but if this clown thinks he is right in abandoning these girls after 16 years because his DNA doesn't mesh with theirs he isn't much of a father.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Just as easily as a guy can conceivably lay 20-30 girls in a month, a woman can lay 20-30 guys even easier.

Lets face it, lots of guys and girls are sluts.

I need directions to the slut farm please.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I need directions to the slut farm please.

Not sh*t eh?? I'd like the address as well..

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

And you're telling me that if you found out, 10 years from now, that your daughter wasn't yours you wouldn't feel obligated to support her financially and emotionally?

Come on.

I have a step-daughter. I've been in her life since she started walking. If my wife and I split there would be no difference in my level of pain or responsibility between her and my son. None whatsoever.

What the court decides is one thing, but if this clown thinks he is right in abandoning these girls after 16 years because his DNA doesn't mesh with theirs he isn't much of a father.

You're right. Its absolutely not about the child. The father should have established enough of a bond that he wants to care for them and make sure they have a good life. I mean, people establish bonds with animals that rival that of children, and people go to great lengths to keep their pet happy and healthy... why would it be any less with a child?

However, what the mother did to that man is inexcusable. A way should be found for her to be punished without taking away from the children.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I need directions to the slut farm please.

Its about three hours straight north of here up the QEII.