Our 6th Overall Pick: Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan?

[cannon7]

i hear scouts comparing Monahan to Eric Staal. I think that might be reaching. I voted Lindholm because he's been a force playing against men. He may have average size and his fearless style of play may get him into trouble some day -- but you just can't pass a guy like that up. I'm not even sure he'll fall to 6th...

[dammage79]

It's fine if they take Monahan, not many people will complain about it. Bottom line is the Flames NEED to make the pick count. Not that picking anyone else is better or worse (I should note though, MacKinnon or Barkov is a clear step above in my book and if there is a shot at one of them there is no contest).
It's just finding the better fitting skill set to compliment the team moving forward.
I don't want the Flames to go down the road of building the team around just one player again, its too constrictive as to how you can build a team.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I voted Lindholm because he's been a force playing against men.

Swedish men who are a step down from the NHL.

I'd take that with a grain of salt, and argue that the tenacity and speed needed to excel in the CHL are just as impressive.

Not saying Lindholm isn't impressive and strong for his age, but I think Monahan would be just as impressive against the men playing in the SEL.

[ricardodw]

Fillip Forsberg is 4 months older than Lindholm.

They both played on the swedish u-18 team in 2011-12 link

Forsberg 16 games 10 goal 5 assist Lindholm 17 games 4 goals 11 assists.


In a supposed weak draft Forsberg went to Washinton 11th overall... In this deep draft Lindholm is slotted to be 5-6???

I was shocked to see that Lindholm was a PIM machine knocking up 35 PIM in the u-18 games. He became shy when he played against the men?

Forsberg got traded to nashville and has 5 NHL games in in the Nashville's drive to the #4 pick.


Maybe Nashville will want to reunite Forsberg and Lindholm and will let Barkov slip to the Canes.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I was shocked to see that Lindholm was a PIM machine knocking up 35 PIM in the u-18 games. He became shy when he played against the men?

What's the matter Ricardow?

Does.not.compute.?

It's because you are only capable of linear one-dimensional thinking, and your idea that PIM is directly related to overall toughness is asinine.

[ricardodw]

Any vote changes when it appears that Lindholm may not be a natural centre.

Link

Incidentally, Lindholm didn't take a lot of faceoffs with Brynäs. He wasn't even close to the top four faceoff takers; so I presume was used more as a wing with his club. However, he did line up at center at the international level with Sweden. I'm not really concerned on whether he ends up as a center or a wing. Where he ends up may dictate that regardless

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

What's the matter Ricardow?

Does.not.compute.?

It's because you are only capable of linear one-dimensional thinking, and your idea that PIM is directly related to overall toughness is asinine.

What doesn't make sense is that none of the Lindholm is so tough we can't stand it crowd doesn't know how to do a little research and push back at me with some facts rather than feelings.



I get a feeling that someone read a blurb that compared Lindholm to Peter Forsberg who was nails tough and the sheep just went with he has to be tough.


Peter Forsberg , by the way, stayed another 4 years in Sweden and came to Quebec .... not the team that drafted him as a 22 year old.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I get a feeling that someone read a blurb.

Which is funny, because that's EXACTLY what you did... except you didn't even use said blurb to form a sound, sane opinion.

Looking at PIM and drawing a concrete conclusion like you did is ridiculous.

Several people have pointed that out and you've gone off with posts full of broken sentences like a computer program trying to comprehend a code that doesn't compute.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What doesn't make sense is that none of the Lindholm is so tough we can't stand it crowd doesn't know how to do a little research and push back at me with some facts rather than feelings.



I get a feeling that someone read a blurb that compared Lindholm to Peter Forsberg who was nails tough and the sheep just went with he has to be tough.


Peter Forsberg , by the way, stayed another 4 years in Sweden and came to Quebec .... not the team that drafted him as a 22 year old.

Come again? I normally understand your posts but these last couple are very hard to comprehend.

[nik-]

ricardodw is quickly turning into the Alex Jones of the anti-Lindholm movement. It's pretty odd.

You uncover those conspiracies man!

[FlameZilla]

At least if Lindholm ends up playing wing he'll be filling another major organisational need. We have exactly zero viable RW prospects.

I voted Monahan for many reasons, not the least of which is that he's a natural, confirmed centre with good faceoff abilities.

Toews & Stall comparisons around, but in stature, speed and stride he reminds me of Tavares. Good vision & size. It's what we need in centre ice. Doesn't project to be a Tavares-level game breaker though...

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What doesn't make sense is that none of the Lindholm is so tough we can't stand it crowd doesn't know how to do a little research and push back at me with some facts rather than feelings.



I get a feeling that someone read a blurb that compared Lindholm to Peter Forsberg who was nails tough and the sheep just went with he has to be tough.


Peter Forsberg , by the way, stayed another 4 years in Sweden and came to Quebec .... not the team that drafted him as a 22 year old.

Did you actually read that article, or just browse it until you found a blurb that matched your inner dialogue? Here's some quotes from that article:

On his own team, he was sixth among forwards which suggests he was in their top six. Within Brynäs, Lindholm was third on the team in points, he led the team in power play goals with eight, he only took one minor penalty all season (!),managed to average a hit per game, and he was eighth on the team with 77 shots on net.

Sweden's U-20 coach Roger Ronnberg praised both his "smartness" and "grit" for the game.

This is the full quote from the National Team coach.

Ronnberg said Lindholm’s potential is limitless and with more seasoning and experience in the SEL he could develop into a sure-fire NHLer.
“He can be a tremendous player,” said the national team coach. “He has the smartness and he has the grit to play – he has the most important combination and that is both the will to compete hard and the smarts to be a really good player.”

I've yet to see any profile that doesn't comment on his grit and ability to protect the puck and play in high traffic areas, yet you seem insistent on looking at one single stat and labeling him soft.

[Ashasx]

Some rumours on https://twitter.com/BoltProspects saying that the Lightning have Nichushkin ranked #1 as it currently stands. That would mean Drouin or Barkov would fall to Carolina.

I think that would be a very serious situation to swap picks with the Hurricanes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Some rumours on https://twitter.com/BoltProspects saying that the Lightning have Nichushkin ranked #1 as it currently stands. That would mean Drouin or Barkov would fall to Carolina.

I think that would be a very serious situation to swap picks with the Hurricanes.

Take all the pre-draft leaks with a grain of salt. It's fair to say that most teams are very tight lipped around the draft as it's a game of high stakes poker with teams not wanting to give any real information on what players they covet. I highly doubt that Yzerman and his staff would be telling anyone who they like. False information may be purposely spread as well as the usual made up crap from basement bloggers that fills the internet.

[nik-]

Tampa taking Nichushkin at 3 would be a pleasant surprise on draft day.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Any vote changes when it appears that Lindholm may not be a natural centre.

Link

Why would there be? If not a center he plays RW (Still thinks he ends up being a Center), yet another glaring need on the Flames depth charts. Which is yet another reason Lindholm would make a great pick for the Flames. RH shot with high skill are tough to come by, Luckily there are one or two good ones in the top seven.

[sureLoss]

If the Nichushkin and Tampa rumors are true, would it not make sense for them to trade down to 6th?

If Yzerman believes Nashville has soured on Russians and the drafting history of the Canes indicate they won't draft a European skater, then he should open to trading down and picking up another asset.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why would there be? If not a center he plays RW (Still thinks he ends up being a Center), yet another glaring need on the Flames depth charts. Which is yet another reason Lindholm would make a great pick for the Flames. RH shot with high skill are tough to come by, Luckily there are one or two good ones in the top seven.

I agree that he fills a major need on either position. Unfortunatley i don't think he makes it to the flames because he could be used as RW or Center. I really think Carolina takes him.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If the Nichushkin and Tampa rumors are true, would it not make sense for them to trade down to 6th?

If Yzerman believes Nashville has soured on Russians and the drafting history of the Canes indicate they won't draft a European skater, then he should open to trading down and picking up another asset.

It totally would ... for something like the 6th and something like, say the 27th?

Sounds good to me

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agree that he fills a major need on either position. Unfortunatley i don't think he makes it to the flames because he could be used as RW or Center. I really think Carolina takes him.

Well if that ends up being the case and Nichushkin goes to TB. Then I cannot see how Nashville passes on Drouin. Which then leaves us my personal favorite, Barkov! This is going to be an exciting draft!