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BruinsFan19 · 10-17-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

I was just commenting on all the highlight clips I just watched to make a highlight video for him... He often cherry picks and is also often seen floating into the picture just as the other team scores.

This is what happens when people comment without ever actually seeing him play. There is so much you don't see on those highlights and to call him a cherry picker is crap.

His defensive game is actually pretty good. He works hard, he goes in the tough areas to score goals. Yes, a lot of his goals are "pretty" because he has that ability but he scores the ugly ones too.

I can't stand it when people make comments without actually knowing.

Machiavelli · 10-17-2010, 02:30 PM

A lot of the goals in that video were pretty soft on the goalie's part.

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

A lot of the goals in that video were pretty soft on the goalie's part.

WHL goaltending and defense is a big step down from the NHL and even AHL.

It is going to be part of the learning curve Howse will have to go through to get to the NHL. Goalies are going to be much harder to score on and the defense is going to cover him a lot more.

Good prospect especially for a 3rd round pick but he has some learning and growth to do if he is going to become an NHL forward.

gstar · 10-17-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

WHL goaltending and defense is a big step down from the NHL and even AHL.

It is going to be part of the learning curve Howse will have to go through to get to the NHL. Goalies are going to be much harder to score on and the defense is going to cover him a lot more.

Good prospect especially for a 3rd round pick but he has some learning and growth to do if he is going to become an NHL forward.

funny that even a great player like ryan getzlaf didn't have numbers like ryan howse.

it took jordan eberle 57 gp to reach 50 g 56 a 106 pts last year

i hardly doubt howse is going to challenge points and assists but lets see how fast he reaches 50 goals this season.

Weiser Wonder · 10-17-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsFan19

This is what happens when people comment without ever actually seeing him play. There is so much you don't see on those highlights and to call him a cherry picker is crap.

His defensive game is actually pretty good. He works hard, he goes in the tough areas to score goals. Yes, a lot of his goals are "pretty" because he has that ability but he scores the ugly ones too.

I can't stand it when people make comments without actually knowing.

Good post. It's also worth noting that a team's best scorer is told to cherry pick a bit in order to generate offense. Iginla is the most obvious example. He will rarely be the deepest forward in the defensive zone, and that's by design.

gstar · 10-17-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

He often cherry picks and is also often seen floating into the picture just as the other team scores.

Sounds a lot like Alexander Ovechkin...who doesn't seem to have a problem playing in the NHL due to his lack of defensive abilities....or Kovalchuk or Heatley...jus sayin...not comparing.

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gstar

Sounds a lot like Alexander Ovechkin...who doesn't seem to have a problem playing in the NHL due to his lack of defensive abilities....or Kovalchuk or Heatley...jus sayin...not comparing.

You just compared Howse to Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Heatley?

LOL

prizefighterinferno · 10-17-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

I don't get why you are freaking out as I just said that is what he needs to work on otherwise he could turn out like A LOT of other WHL/AHL guys that excel at that level but can't take the step to the NHL.

It is the only thing holding him back, his release is second to few even in the NHL and he knows exactly where to go to score goals.

I assure you I was completely calm while writing the post you are referencing.

I wasn't arguing about players needing to work on defensive awareness when they get to the pro level. All I was pointing out, and what others have now said as well, is that if you are admittedly lacking knowledge/evidence, don't profess to to "know" anything. Your comments about Howse being lazy are based on a smattering of video highlights.

Anyways, sorry if the tone came across poorly via text.

Zevo · 10-17-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

You just compared Howse to Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Heatley?

LOL

At the end of his post he even said 'not comparing' and you still post this?

Sheesh.

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

At the end of his post he even said 'not comparing' and you still post this?

Sheesh.

Yes because that is exactly what he did but then tried to cover his butt.

If Howse had half the talent those guys had he would already be playing against men and being a difference maker. You can get away with being a defensive liabilty if you are over a PPG player like those guys...

Does anyone actually think Howse will become a PPG player in the NHL ever? I would happy if he turned out to be the next Hagman(who he is similar to in many ways). Heck I will be happy if he just makes the NHL and sticks...

Seriously, I said that in the clips I am watching(which happened to be the highlights of every game this season) that it was apparent he had to work on his defensive play and work ethic(he lets his linemates do a lot of the work then finishes off the plays and watches his team play defense). That is fine if you are going to be the next Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Iginla but Howse will not be that quality of a player...

BruinsFan19 · 10-17-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

Seriously, I said that in the clips I am watching(which happened to be the highlights of every game this season) that it was apparent he had to work on his defensive play and work ethic(he lets his linemates do a lot of the work then finishes off the plays and watches his team play defense).

LOL

You are a joke.

Zevo · 10-17-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

Yes because that is exactly what he did but then tried to cover his butt.

If Howse had half the talent those guys had he would already be playing against men and being a difference maker. You can get away with being a defensive liabilty if you are over a PPG player like those guys...

Does anyone actually think Howse will become a PPG player in the NHL ever? I would happy if he turned out to be the next Hagman(who he is similar to in many ways). Heck I will be happy if he just makes the NHL and sticks...

Seriously, I said that in the clips I am watching(which happened to be the highlights of every game this season) that it was apparent he had to work on his defensive play and work ethic(he lets his linemates do a lot of the work then finishes off the plays and watches his team play defense). That is fine if you are going to be the next Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Iginla but Howse will not be that quality of a player...

He was referring to the cherry picking that those guys do and was just saying if it works for them it could work for Howse also.

You're the one reading more into his one line statement than is actually there.

Weiser Wonder · 10-17-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

Yes because that is exactly what he did but then tried to cover his butt.

If Howse had half the talent those guys had he would already be playing against men and being a difference maker. You can get away with being a defensive liabilty if you are over a PPG player like those guys...

Does anyone actually think Howse will become a PPG player in the NHL ever? I would happy if he turned out to be the next Hagman(who he is similar to in many ways). Heck I will be happy if he just makes the NHL and sticks...

Seriously, I said that in the clips I am watching(which happened to be the highlights of every game this season) that it was apparent he had to work on his defensive play and work ethic(he lets his linemates do a lot of the work then finishes off the plays and watches his team play defense). That is fine if you are going to be the next Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Iginla but Howse will not be that quality of a player...

I don't know and you don't either. Why do you continue to argue when you haven't seen him play? You have no credibility whatsoever in this argument.

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsFan19

LOL

You are a joke.

Ok, Mr. Knowitall enlighten me.

What does Howse have to work on in order to become an NHL player?

Beerfest · 10-17-2010, 03:35 PM

Hopefully Howse keeps going on a solid pace.
It will be really hard to keep on the pace hes being going on however, haha.

Roof-Daddy · 10-17-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

Ok, Mr. Knowitall enlighten me.

What does Howse have to work on in order to become an NHL player?

I get the impression that Bruinsfan19 watches Howse play alot. If so, he probably has a better handle on Howse' overall game than you, I or anyone else could gather from watching a few highlight packages.

Would be better (and more useful) if he'd give us some insight however, as opposed to flinging drive by insults.

BruinsFan19 · 10-17-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by murray1

Ok, Mr. Knowitall enlighten me.

What does Howse have to work on in order to become an NHL player?

Everything.

I never once said he is NHL ready.

The point I'm arguing it that you are calling him a defensive liability and a cherry picker based on a few 20 second clips you've watched. You have no idea what you're talking about.

At the beginning of last season the Bruins new coach called him up to the front of the bus and told him that he was thinking about moving him to the 4th line to learn there's more to the game than scoring goals. Since then Howse has done a complete 180 in terms of blocking shots, back checking, taking a hit to make a play, etc. You watch these clips and then you act like you know what you're talking about but you don't. Why would they show a clip of Howse lying on the ice to block a shot when they can show him scoring a highlight reel goal instead?

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I get the impression that Bruinsfan19 watches Howse play alot. If so, he probably has a better handle on Howse' overall game than you, I or anyone else could gather from watching a few highlight packages.

Would be better (and more useful) if he'd give us some insight however, as opposed to flinging drive by insults.

I agree, and that is why I asked him.

Obviously I am not allowed to base any thoughts on him off of any of his goals or points, his great scoring chances or when the opposition has scored against him because that is what I did and I am supposedly way out to lunch.

He must change his game up when he isn't producing offensive chances or getting scored on. Will be interesting to hear how he does that.

murray1 · 10-17-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsFan19

Everything.

I never once said he is NHL ready.

The point I'm arguing it that you are calling him a defensive liability and a cherry picker based on a few 20 second clips you've watched. You have no idea what you're talking about.

At the beginning of last season the Bruins new coach called him up to the front of the bus and told him that he was thinking about moving him to the 4th line to learn there's more to the game than scoring goals. Since then Howse has done a complete 180 in terms of blocking shots, back checking, taking a hit to make a play, etc. You watch these clips and then you act like you know what you're talking about but you don't. Why would they show a clip of Howse lying on the ice to block a shot when they can show him scoring a highlight reel goal instead?

If he still needs to work on everything then that means he still needs to work on his defensive game which is all that I said...

Did you notice how in my clip there is even a good defensive play where he saves what could have been a goal? The thing I commented on was that there were multiple instances where he was seen following a player into his zone(obviously his man) who then set up or scored a goal. He looked kind of like Iginla does in some of those instances, he is back in position but not really doing anything to stop the opposition, pretty much just adding an obstacle that they have to go around. Maybe that only happens every couple games and the rest of the time he is solid but it is still something that he should improve on or else he could be like Brendl(and many many others) who can light it up in WHL, AHL, SEL, KHL etc but can't get it done in the NHL. The NHL is a huge step up for any player and you have to be well rounded in every aspect of the game to make it, even weak defensive players(lets go extreme like Brunnstrom and Wellwood) would be good or close to great defensively in the WHL.

puckluck · 10-17-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gstar

Sounds a lot like Alexander Ovechkin...who doesn't seem to have a problem playing in the NHL due to his lack of defensive abilities....or Kovalchuk or Heatley...jus sayin...not comparing.

Lol you serious? You point to three 50+ goal scorers not having a problem playing in the NHL and then finish off your post with "not comparing"

Um yeah, that's exactly what you did.

Ovechkin doesn't have a problem playing in the NHL cherry picking because he is freakin ALEXANDER OVECHKIN. A man who scored 65 goals in the NHL.