2016 NHL Draft

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Flames' goalie problem is at the top, not in the young prospect department.

Which goes hand in hand with the inability to turn said prospects into starters. Ortio is the closest thing to a homegrown starter the Flames have managed to develop since at least the turn of the century.

So yes, the pipeline needs to be constant in net if there's going to be any chance of improvement in that area. Just don't burn anymore first round picks on these guys unless they are of the can't miss variety.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Just don't burn anymore first round picks on these guys unless they are of the can't miss variety.

Anymore?

Haven't drafted one in the first round since 2006

[Frequitude]

No major changes since Vancouver was the only bottom feeder team that won. The result of that was a slight upward shift in expected draft pick from 7th to 6th. Flames losing also means we're mathematically eliminated from drafting worse than 12th. Statistically speaking we're almost a lock for top 9.



(Draft pick odds using Enoch Root's standings-pick percentages combined with sportsclubstats.com's final standings probabilities for each potential Flames remaining record as of today)

[djsFlames]

I hope we finish 4th or 5th last as that's probably the most realistic of a drop. It'll give us a solid shot at one of the lotteries, and if not then a Dubois or Tkachuk

Worth noting that Tkachuk is tearing up the playoffs scoring at well over a goal/game.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Honestly at this point I hope we lose them all. I love winning and all but, I would love a Finn more than 4 meaningless games. Honestly I think Winnipeg could lose all their remaining games, they are playing some tough games.

[djsFlames]

Winnipeg will lose the rest. They'll fold like a cheap tent against that competition.

Vancouver and Columbus could pass us though given Columbus has lighter competition and Van play the Oilers twice. Canucks are gonna toil in obscurity for a lonnng time if they don't luck out soon.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Honestly at this point I hope we lose them all. I love winning and all but, I would love a Finn more than 4 meaningless games. Honestly I think Winnipeg could lose all their remaining games, they are playing some tough games.

Nope, sorry, can't stomach losing to the Oilers and Canucks. I know, I know, it will likely guarantee them a better pick, but I just can't hope we lose those games.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Nope, sorry, can't stomach losing to the Oilers and Canucks. I know, I know, it will likely guarantee them a better pick, but I just can't hope we lose those games.

Let me rephrase that. Deep down I hope we win against those teams, but I know it's best we lose. Man I hope we can contend for a playoff spot again next year.

[getbak]

The Flames have updated their list of draft picks, and clarified that the conditions on both the Reinhart and Hamilton trades were not met, so those picks won't change hands.

Right now, the Flames own all 7 of their own picks, plus the three picks acquired in the Russell, Hudler, and Jones trades: http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=876635

[1qqaaz]

I hope Treliving doesn't make any trades like the Reinhart trade again. That condition makes sense for a 6th or 7th round pick, but not a 4th. The other team has too much control. I was hoping the 4th would turn into a 5th if the condition was not met. Hindsight is 20/20, but condition had basically no chance of being met. I would have rather traded Reinhart for a normal 6th.

Max Reinhart could have been the difference for Stockton's playoff bid this year.

Oh well, we didn't lose much.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I hope Treliving doesn't make any trades like the Reinhart trade again. That condition makes sense for a 6th or 7th round pick, but not a 4th. The other team has too much control. I was hoping the 4th would turn into a 5th if the condition was not met. Hindsight is 20/20, but condition had basically no chance of being met. I would have rather traded Reinhart for a normal 6th.

Max Reinhart could have been the difference for Stockton's playoff bid this year.

Oh well, we didn't lose much.

I'm sure you would, but I doubt Poile had any interest in trading a pick from any round for an AHL player. Hence the condition, so if the player made the NHL the Flames would get compensation.

[Caged Great]

Look at it this way, we traded Reinhart for Freddie Hamilton. No picks were dealt in either situation, and we got a slight upgrade. Hamilton may actually play in the NHL next year, which is something that you can't say about Reinhart.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I hope Treliving doesn't make any trades like the Reinhart trade again. That condition makes sense for a 6th or 7th round pick, but not a 4th. The other team has too much control. I was hoping the 4th would turn into a 5th if the condition was not met. Hindsight is 20/20, but condition had basically no chance of being met. I would have rather traded Reinhart for a normal 6th.

Max Reinhart could have been the difference for Stockton's playoff bid this year.

Oh well, we didn't lose much.

With the 50 contract limit it isn't the greatest idea to be keeping guys around if your coaches and scouts don't think they have an NHL future with your team. Those NHL contracts are somewhat precious. As well keeping a guy like Reinhart would mean he would be taking ice time away from other prospects.

Obviously nobody was going to trade a guaranteed pick for Reinhart so Treliving gave him a chance in another organization, we get the free contract spot and we don't have Reinhart taking ice time away from legit prospects.

[1qqaaz]

Looking back it wasn't a that bad of a trade, especially when you consider Hamilton. Reinhart has now regressed for 2 straight years and seems to have lost potential.

But I just thought Reinhart was worth more than nothing (or the negative value of a contract space) at the beginning of the year. He was 3rd in Adirondack Flames scoring, only 4 points off from first. I am surprised that going from first in AHL team scoring to third made his value go to zero.

Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread. For some reason I just really, really wanted that 4th.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Guys usually only have value as long as teams see NHL potential in them. Their minor league stats aren't necessarily the best indicator of it. I'm guessing nobody really believed strongly that he'd be an NHLer. And for good reason as he hasn't become an NHLer. Nobody is going to trade picks just because a guy is a good minor leaguer. It's weird though, the conditions of the pick almost make it less likely he'd be recalled which hurts the player's NHL chances.

[druetetective]

I keep hearing how this draft has a tier from 20-40 were the prospects are extremely close. So I really hope the Flames strike gold on our #35 pick. That pick will make a bid difference on the look of our prospect pool as I think it can be a top 10 prospect for us immediately.

It also might be a good idea to trade Fla 2nd + #65 for another early 2nd.

[druetetective]

I watched Brett Howden last night and he was fantastic. Looks like he had a great 1st round with 11 points in 5gp. Power forward who plays a 200 ft game and seems to have intangibles to spare.

I want the Flames to use a second on him

[Monahan For Mayor]

Winnipeg and Vancouver helped the draft odds tonight. Winnipegs OT point puts us at a time with them, and vancouvers win over Anaheim puts them a point above us.

[sureLoss]

Neat write up. Shift by shift breakdown on Chychrun

http://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-d...akob-chychrun/

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Winnipeg and Vancouver helped the draft odds tonight. Winnipegs OT point puts us at a time with them, and vancouvers win over Anaheim puts them a point above us.

Just have to let Hiller bring us home... 30th is so close I can smell it... though that could just be Edmonton stink...