2016 NHL Draft

[druetetective]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

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Do you feel McLeod can play RW effectively? Or is he a center through-and-through?

No idea but his best skill is his defensive ability including fo's. How many shutdown wingers are there in the NHL?

Hossa, Backes and Palat come to mind but the vast majority of the elite defensive forwards in the league are centers. Maybe he could play wing effectively but I think you might be minimizing his impact.

Remember when we drafted Monahan we thought he would develop into that guy, hasn't really happened. He's no slouch in his own zone but he's not the 2-way beast Toews lite that was advertised. Hopefully that part of his game develops more.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

March rankings for Redline Report.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...erin/82013828/

"First, big Cape Breton center Pierre-Luc Dubois (42 goals, 57 assists, 112 penalty minutes) has seen his game tick upward another notch since he narrowly missed making Team Canada for the world junior championships, and he continues to make a serious push for top five overall status."

[Poe969]

So if the Flames end up drafting around the 6 spot, they'll still likely have a shot at a really good player. Top 3 is a goal but as long as they're top 10 or so, they'll still get a really good player.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Interesting he has all of Dubois, Tkachuk and Nylander ahead of the dmen. There will still be some teams that prioritize defence and take them high (Canucks have indicated this.)

Yeah, when's the last time a d-man wasn't drafted in the top six?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, when's the last time a d-man wasn't drafted in the top six?

2003 over a decade ago, Ryan Suter 7th, Coburn 8th, Phaneuf 9th. Arguably Suter should've gone ahead of vanek, Michalek, Zherdev, Fleury, etc in hindsight.

It will depend which teams draft top 6 but I'd be shocked if a dmen didn't go top 6

[Frequitude]

Pretty big move for the Flames with that loss last night. Moved our expected finish down by 0.69 spots.


(Draft pick odds using Enoch Root's standings-pick percentages combined with sportsclubstats.com's final standings probabilities as of today)

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Extremely intriguing. Gauthier down at 26 now! McLeod down at 15! This is the brother of our head scout. FC and Button really high on Keller, don't think we'd take him with our size issues.

Interesting he has all of Dubois, Tkachuk and Nylander ahead of the dmen. There will still be some teams that prioritize defence and take them high (Canucks have indicated this.)

Being brothers and all, another reflection of the Flames priorities?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Being brothers and all, another reflection of the Flames priorities?

Well Craig Button did have Jankowski and Erixon high the year we took them. Pretty sure they do talk during the season. Hard to read too much into it though.

[Trailer Fire]

As interested in the 1st/2nd round as I am, I've been checking out some prospects slated to go later.

I'm quite interested in Brinson Pasichnuk. Not just because his first name is my last, and Brooks Laich is the closest I've come to sharing a name with an NHLer. He is a very mobile left shooting PMD. He seems to have a very fluid and strong stride. To go along with a strong outlet pass, his point shots, though not bullets, have decent velocity and have eyes for the net. He is leading AJHL dmen with 65 points in 52 games. His 161 PIM shows he plays with a bit of an edge too.

Sadly, I'm paraphrasing a friend of mine from Bonnyville, as I haven't been able to check him out myself. I'd be ok with spending a 3rd or 4th rounder on him.

[Calgary4LIfe]

One consistent them I keep seeing is that every draft publication is inconsistent with one another past the first 3 or 5 picks.

It may make it easier moving up if a team is dead-set on someone, but just saw him go.

Interesting to see Gauthier dropping. Perhaps people are picking up on the chance that his hockey sense is lower than what you want for a top 6 guy? That has been the only knock I keep hearing on this kid.

I think the only two 'locks' in the draft order will be Mathews and then Laine. I think Puljujarvi could drop a spot - or even two - depending on if a team really likes Dubois or Tkachuk more (I personally prefer Puljujarvi more, but Dubois is right there and a small step down for Tkachuk).

After that, it becomes crazy. Not much consistency between lists. Doesn't seem to be a clear favorite between Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev and even Bean. Crazy year I think. Most drafts you can kind of guess at a rough order in the top 10 - one surprise out of the top 10 jumps up, some guys get shuffled a bit - but this seems like a much more inconsistent draft order among the various outlets, which I would deduce is probably shared by a lot of the teams' scouting staffs.

That possible late first and those 2nds might come in really, really handy this year, probably more than they usually would.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

After that, it becomes crazy. Not much consistency between lists. Doesn't seem to be a clear favorite between Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev and even Bean. Crazy year I think. Most drafts you can kind of guess at a rough order in the top 10 - one surprise out of the top 10 jumps up, some guys get shuffled a bit - but this seems like a much more inconsistent draft order among the various outlets, which I would deduce is probably shared by a lot of the teams' scouting staffs.

I'd say that is the norm in my experience of drafting watching, not the exception. Rarely is there any consensus after the first 2 to 3 picks. You notice it when you look at enough lists from actual scouting services. You're probably just more informed so far about this draft than previous years if I had to guess.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I'd say that is the norm in my experience of drafting watching, not the exception. Rarely is there any consensus after the first 2 to 3 picks. You notice it when you look at enough lists from actual scouting services. You're probably just more informed so far about this draft than previous years if I had to guess.

Not really.. I have been following the last 7 or 8 drafts pretty closely, and more so since 2010. You are right there isn't consensus, but there are too many lists that are completely different all across the board this year. Usually there are one or two 'surprises' of outlets who are particular high on a couple of guys, while seemingly hating another couple of guys. I just think this year past spot 5, a guy can be 6 on one list, and 20 on another.

It is still early I guess. Some lists often seem to try and be different (if I was to guess) on purpose right up until their final list ahead of the draft. I would expect things to be a bit more consistent by then between the lists, but just find it intriguing that instead of just one or 2 guys being shuffled around, they seem to all still be mashing around almost like they are pulling the order out of a hat.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Still hoping for a top 3. If we fall out of the top 6 it will be a major disappointed. We need to play Hiller more, or it will be typical Flames in the draft, just missing the playoffs and getting a crappy pick.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-canad...class-1.457738

There is so much in his game that reminds me of Dallas Stars captain Jamie Benn, including the versatility to play centre. All of these elements put him in the discussion with the Finnish players.

Yup.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Craig Button seems to underrate some defenders in his lists. He had Hanifin outside the top 10 last year and that kid looks like an absolute stud. I don't think we should read to much into how low a guy like Chychrun is. I'm sure there's teams that have him top 5.

Wouldn't surprise me if Tod Button likes Dubois as much as Craig appears to.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Craig's list is unfiltered, it's why I enjoy it so much. You're seeing a single guys list, not a committees. This and McKenzie's list are nice compliments to each other.

He has Max Jones at 35... I'd be over the moon if we walked away with both these guys.

[Ashasx]

Defencemen who are picked high in the draft seem to be less likely to reach their potential than forwards. Button just seems to be against taking defencemen high unless they are truly exceptional.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Defencemen who are picked high in the draft seem to be less likely to reach their potential than forwards. Button just seems to be against taking defencemen high unless they are truly exceptional.

That's a myth, at least as it applies to the last 5 to 7 years. Might'e been true a decade or two ago. Certainly not today.

Doughty, EkmanLarsson, Hedman, Ekblad, Hanifin, Ristolainen, Seth Jones, Rielly, Murray, H. Lindholm, Hamilton. Nuff said. They are amongst the best young blue liners in the league.

[Alberta_Beef]

Could Tage Thompson be a good pick with a Stars 1st or Flames 2nd?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Craig Button seems to underrate some defenders in his lists. He had Hanifin outside the top 10 last year and that kid looks like an absolute stud. I don't think we should read to much into how low a guy like Chychrun is. I'm sure there's teams that have him top 5.

Wouldn't surprise me if Tod Button likes Dubois as much as Craig appears to.

The range of opinion on d is wild. Having fabbro and bean in the top 10. Pretty wild stuff. F seems to be pretty similar across lists but the d is all over the map. Makes me a little uneasy if we pick a d with this wide variation but I guess it comes down to trusting the scouts.