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Old 10-13-2016, 07:33 PM   #4081
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Sandra Jansen is currently the most sanctimonious, condescending MLA in office. She will simply be a Redford 2.0 with maybe a more Liberal streak. Why even bother defeating the NDP with a Jansen led PC party. At least the NDP are honest about where they come from ideologically.

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Old 10-13-2016, 08:15 PM   #4082
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On a side note, are there ANY Reform Party conservatives left?

Or is it just me, Jason Kenney, Harper, Manning, and a bunch of rural people?
Is Kenney a reform conservative? He took the full pension, didn't resign his parliamentary seat until the taxpayers had paid him to campaign all summer and basically did nothing to exemplify what the Reform party campaigned on.
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Old 10-13-2016, 10:25 PM   #4083
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I liked Redford's politics but not her entitlement.
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:04 PM   #4084
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I doubt we'll see a unit the right.

If we con't we'll see a minority government with the PC's winning. Wildrose holding the middle and the NDP as a rump party with single digit seats the way things are going.

With the latest polls showing the NDP in distant third and the carbon tax already at about 30% popularity, once they implement it they will probably never be able to recover.
Ehhh tough call.

The carbon tax could blow over. The NDs are all in on kinder Morgan.

If it fails and their polling numbers stay low they will go 'full Bolshevik'. Term from their side.

If their polling numbers improve or if the PCs implode or get Kenney'ed betting odds are they will try and take the centre.

Both the NDs and WR are trying to mature their stance and ready to battle for the middle.
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Old 10-14-2016, 07:19 AM   #4085
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The Alberta PCs didn't stay in power for 50 years because Albertans didn't change. They stayed in power for 50 years because the party continued to change along with the voters of the province. The last couple PC governments were not right-wing parties. They were centrist, because in the 21st century most Albertans are centrist.
Historically, Alberta's dynasties started left then moved right.

Notley seems intent on breaking that trend. She is also going to break the trend of Albertans electing dynasties.
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:10 AM   #4086
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Just kind of sad....

http://m.edmontonsun.com/2016/10/13/...els-tory-style

I know. If I were king I'd hire all my friends too.
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:17 AM   #4087
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Historically, Alberta's dynasties started left then moved right.

Notley seems intent on breaking that trend. She is also going to break the trend of Albertans electing dynasties.
Haven't they gone the other way?

Social Credit -> Lougheed PC -> Weird Redford version of PC -> NDP

The only blip is Ralph Klein in between.

I miss Ralph.
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Old 10-14-2016, 08:55 AM   #4088
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I don't get the "I miss Ralph" thing.

He stripped the public sector, privatized everything he could get his hands on, and basically mortgaged our infrastructure to help balance the budget. When he had more cash available in the budget, instead of using it to invest in the province he paid out a bunch of useless Ralph Bucks.

He threw change at the homeless and coined "shoot, shovel and shut up" though, which I guess made him endearing to some?

Not an attack on you TOTF, but Ralph did a lot of things that bent this province over long term. People gloss over that because he balanced the budget at $30 oil, and more importantly $5-$8 gas.
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I don't get the "I miss Ralph" thing.

He stripped the public sector, privatized everything he could get his hands on, and basically mortgaged our infrastructure to help balance the budget. When he had more cash available in the budget, instead of using it to invest in the province he paid out a bunch of useless Ralph Bucks.

He threw change at the homeless and coined "shoot, shovel and shut up" though, which I guess made him endearing to some?

Not an attack on you TOTF, but Ralph did a lot of things that bent this province over long term. People gloss over that because he balanced the budget at $30 oil, and more importantly $5-$8 gas.
What do you think is happening right now?
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I miss Peter Lougheed
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Old 10-14-2016, 09:28 AM   #4091
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Ralph was a catastrophy for the province of Alberta.

The province is still trying to dig itself out of the hole he dug.
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Old 10-14-2016, 09:29 AM   #4092
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Does anyone listen to the The Strategists? He is one of the most obnoxious people in public life.
I do. I don't think he's obnoxious at all... in fact I think he's funny and personable.

Or rather I did listen to the "The Strategists" Since Corey Hogan got hired as managing director of the Public Affairs Bureau and Carter will be working on the campaign they announced that they won't be doing the Podcast anymore. A shame since it was easily the best Podcast about politics in general in this country.
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Just kind of sad....

http://m.edmontonsun.com/2016/10/13/...els-tory-style

I know. If I were king I'd hire all my friends too.
I've always said that if I ever ran for power and won, all of you would get cushy jobs in my Ministry of Sports and illicit drugs.

But seriously, Notley has mastered Crony government in a hurry.

The difference between the PC's and the NDP is that when the PC's appointed people to these committees and especially the energy ones, they actually had some working relation to the industry.

The NDP are basically making committees of inexperienced idiots or union buddies that are going to create the policy and direction for industry that they are completely clueless or and worse yet tend to classify these industries as enemies of the people.
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What do you think is happening right now?
Oh absolutely. NDP is a giant clusterfata

Just pointing out Ralph wasn't the white night some make him out to be.
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:28 AM   #4095
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I don't get the "I miss Ralph" thing.

He stripped the public sector, privatized everything he could get his hands on, and basically mortgaged our infrastructure to help balance the budget. When he had more cash available in the budget, instead of using it to invest in the province he paid out a bunch of useless Ralph Bucks.

He threw change at the homeless and coined "shoot, shovel and shut up" though, which I guess made him endearing to some?

Not an attack on you TOTF, but Ralph did a lot of things that bent this province over long term. People gloss over that because he balanced the budget at $30 oil, and more importantly $5-$8 gas.
Not taking it as an attack. This is a good discussion.

It is all about perspective. The things that Ralph did and the values he stood for are the things that I believe in.

Having a low tax, small government environment is of up most importance to me.

I don't mind a longer wait in the waiting room, or a class size of 28-30 if it means keeping our taxes low.

My position is this way because I don't trust government to do anything. I working in Engineering and before my O&G days I did a lot of work with Alberta Infrastructure and Infrastructure Ontario and I could spend all day telling you how your tax dollars are completely wasted.

That doesn't mean I don't believe in Infrastructure. I want the green line, I want Calgary Next. It just has to be paid for and done in steps.

Again, its all about perspective. You say he did things that bent things over the long term, in my view he fixed the province and made it the best jurisdiction in North America and all that hard work has been undone in the last 11 years.

Unfortunately for me the people that share my opinion are literally dying off. New Albertans (in my view) are not taking lessons from the past and are copying the mistakes that other Provinces have made like Ontario.

I lived there for 3 years. Where does all that tax money go? Next time you guys are in Toronto and drive down the Gardiner take a look at the ####ty condition of that road, or go see the spot where Lakeshore goes under the Gardiner outside of the ACC. I looks like the Greek ruins.
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:39 AM   #4096
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Klein was like a NHL GM brought in to handle the first painful stages of a rebuild. His strength was to sell the public on painful short-term measures that would help the province in the long run. His weaknesses were that he was in thrall to narrow-minded ideologues who encouraged him to eliminate the deficit on the backs of municipalities and at the cost of a lost decade in infrastructure, and he had no clue how to manage prosperity or come up with a long-term plan for growth.
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:41 AM   #4097
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Klein was like a NHL GM brought in to handle the first painful stages of a rebuild. His strength was to sell the public on painful short-term measures that would help the province in the long run. His weaknesses were that he was in thrall to narrow-minded ideologues who encouraged him to eliminate the deficit on the backs of municipalities and at the cost of a lost decade in infrastructure, and he had no clue how to manage prosperity or come up with a long-term plan for growth.
Flat tax? Lowest corporate tax in the country?
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:51 AM   #4098
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Flat tax? Lowest corporate tax in the country?
Look at all that growth in the last year.
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Old 10-14-2016, 10:57 AM   #4099
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Look at all that growth in the last year.
Exactly. Thanks NDP, Redford and Stelmach!
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Old 10-14-2016, 11:30 AM   #4100
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Look at all that growth in the last year.
Beleive he was talking about long term growth, not sure how a 1 yr sample size is relevant.
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