The moral philosophy of favouring pets over humans

[Patek23]

Originally posted by MarchHare+Sep 9 2005, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ Sep 9 2005, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flaming Homer@Sep 9 2005, 05:19 PM
Whatever the point I was trying to get across was that Raptors would be the superior species since they were more adapt than us at the time of our evolution where we were as intelligent as a pack of apes, we would have been plucked off like chickens.

Humans have opposable thumbs, giving them the ability to create and use tools. Raptors do not. For the same reason lions, sharks, or other great predatory animals are not the dominant species today, raptors would not be either. I'm shocked we're even having this debate. [/b][/quote]
It took us years to figure that shinguard out, we'd be extinct in 20 yrs. Hell if Raptors were around at our time, everything would be extinct, including them since when there is no food, you die. A Raptor could be as big as 15 feet tall and thousand of pounds, They things were like made up dragons without wings.

[kipperiggy]

I don't know if there is anything morally wrong with choosing your pet over a random stranger.

Why?

Because we're emotionally attached to our pets. They may not be able to speak to us, but they are still smarter than we think and still do non-verbal things that demonstrate the bond some of us do create with our household pets. So why wouldn't we choose something we are emotionally attached to and have known for perhaps ten years over a complete stranger?

I think it's when we're choosing our pets over our family members when we've got problems. I mean, an animal you're emotionally attached over a human you're emotionally attached too?

Is it wrong to want to save your pet over a stranger? Perhaps. But I don't think anyone could dispute that most people would take something they're emotionally attached to over something they're not attached to.

Or that I've used the words emotionally attached too many times in this post.

[habernac]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Sep 9 2005, 07:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Sep 9 2005, 07:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Humans have opposable thumbs, giving them the ability to create and use tools. Raptors do not. For the same reason lions, sharks, or other great predatory animals are not the dominant species today, raptors would not be either. I'm shocked we're even having this debate.

It took us years to figure that shinguard out, we'd be extinct in 20 yrs. Hell if Raptors were around at our time, everything would be extinct, including them since when there is no food, you die. A Raptor could be as big as 15 feet tall and thousand of pounds, They things were like made up dragons without wings. [/b][/quote]
and there are still a number of species bigger and stronger than we are, but the fact that our brains are not the size of a walnut means that we're out destroying the planet instead of velociraptors or polar bears or lions.....

[Patek23]

Originally posted by habernac+Sep 9 2005, 09:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (habernac @ Sep 9 2005, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

It took us years to figure that shinguard out, we'd be extinct in 20 yrs. Hell if Raptors were around at our time, everything would be extinct, including them since when there is no food, you die. A Raptor could be as big as 15 feet tall and thousand of pounds, They things were like made up dragons without wings.

and there are still a number of species bigger and stronger than we are, but the fact that our brains are not the size of a walnut means that we're out destroying the planet instead of velociraptors or polar bears or lions.....

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At the time of our beginning we were barely capable of grunting it took centuries to begin to communicate, we were lucky that our most dangerous predator was a large cat, which still wiped out alot of us. I would put my life on it that if there were Raptors at the time of our beginning we would have been wiped out.

[habernac]

so now it's "raptors are smarter than cro magnon man"? I thought you stated at the beginning of this rant that they were smarter than HUMANS. Make up your mind there, Ross. We evolved, they became oil.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by habernac@Sep 10 2005, 11:15 AM
so now it's "raptors are smarter than cro magnon man"? I thought you stated at the beginning of this rant that they were smarter than HUMANS. Make up your mind there, Ross. We evolved, they became oil.

You just don't get it, Raptors became Oil because they got wasted by a little thing called the extinction which wiped out almost every single species at the time, Raptors were and are smarter than humans tactically and hunting wise, maybe not so much in overall intelligence but I seem to remember a show on discoverey a year ago with a scientist saying that Raptors associated certain raptors with items, and could distinguish smells and items with a memory which is more adavanced than the predators today (sort of like the book "Raptor Red"), If there were raptors around when we became human from apes/god's creating us/ tractored beamed from aliens etc. whatever you want to believe in we would be slaughtered like cows, Is that to much for you to grasp. Or is it to hard to believe that at some point we weren't the top of the food chain? What about if T-Rex's were around when we began we'd be compost heap material.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by kipperiggy@Sep 9 2005, 10:34 PM
I don't know if there is anything morally wrong with choosing your pet over a random stranger.

Why?

Because we're emotionally attached to our pets. They may not be able to speak to us, but they are still smarter than we think and still do non-verbal things that demonstrate the bond some of us do create with our household pets. So why wouldn't we choose something we are emotionally attached to and have known for perhaps ten years over a complete stranger?

I think it's when we're choosing our pets over our family members when we've got problems. I mean, an animal you're emotionally attached over a human you're emotionally attached too?

Is it wrong to want to save your pet over a stranger? Perhaps. But I don't think anyone could dispute that most people would take something they're emotionally attached to over something they're not attached to.

Or that I've used the words emotionally attached too many times in this post.

I'm emotionally attached to human beings.

[jam26]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Sep 10 2005, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Sep 10 2005, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-habernac@Sep 10 2005, 11:15 AM
so now it's "raptors are smarter than cro magnon man"? I thought you stated at the beginning of this rant that they were smarter than HUMANS. Make up your mind there, Ross. We evolved, they became oil.

You just don't get it, Raptors became Oil because they got wasted by a little thing called the extinction which wiped out almost every single species at the time, Raptors were and are smarter than humans tactically and hunting wise, maybe not so much in overall intelligence but I seem to remember a show on discoverey a year ago with a scientist saying that Raptors associated certain raptors with items, and could distinguish smells and items with a memory which is more adavanced than the predators today (sort of like the book "Raptor Red"), If there were raptors around when we became human from apes/god's creating us/ tractored beamed from aliens etc. whatever you want to believe in we would be slaughtered like cows, Is that to much for you to grasp. Or is it to hard to believe that at some point we weren't the top of the food chain? What about if T-Rex's were around when we began we'd be compost heap material. [/b][/quote]
This thread has Hall of Fame potential.

[Patek23]

Answer me this.


Your telling me that you feel at a time when we were capable of pretty much nothing, and Raptors (would have been if still around) the top of the pack that we would have still survived? If some new species of Cow started up and had the capabilites of being smarter but were good food that we wouldn't eat them and bow down to their intelligence?

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by habernac@Sep 10 2005, 11:15 AM
so now it's "raptors are smarter than cro magnon man"? I thought you stated at the beginning of this rant that they were smarter than HUMANS. Make up your mind there, Ross. We evolved, they became oil.

I believe we are descendents of or pretty much the same as Cro magnons and they would be generally considered HUMANS. You are probably thinking of Neanderthals who dissappeared about 30,000 yrs. ago and are not sapiens.

[habernac]

Originally posted by Vulcan+Sep 10 2005, 06:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vulcan @ Sep 10 2005, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-habernac@Sep 10 2005, 11:15 AM
so now it's "raptors are smarter than cro magnon man"? I thought you stated at the beginning of this rant that they were smarter than HUMANS. Make up your mind there, Ross. We evolved, they became oil.

I believe we are descendents of or pretty much the same as Cro magnons and they would be generally considered HUMANS. You are probably thinking of Neanderthals who dissappeared about 30,000 yrs. ago and are not sapiens. [/b][/quote]
whatever. We've beaten this thread to death already. Sorry about the hijack, cow.