Can CP become a "civil" place again?

[dino7c]

[blender]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

1. It's not me, its you. AKA One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

The funny thing about the the OP is that its so vague on specifics that 100 people can thank it and think its directed at different people. Short of having a vote to call posters out or having the mods explain their temporary suspensions - no one is going to come to self-realisation that they are part of the problem or know where the line is.

You don't need a vote. If a significant amount of people forcefully tell you you are an idiot and you need to F##k off, eventually you will.
Not saying that I advocate that method for here, but it works to enforce the will of the majority IF the moderators allow it.

I think it is possible that the problem with CP and other places like it stem from people being too diplomatic and democratic. In the interest of fairness and order too much BS is tolerated from passive-aggressive blowhard A-holes who are clever and can articulate their thoughts well while understanding the rules and how to work within them so they don't get disciplined for their actions which generally result in a diminished experience for other posters.
I think there are some here who could easily discern they type of poster I am referring to while there are many who would think I meant someone else entirely. Hence the theoretical value of a cards on the table, non-politically correct approach to weeding out the type of posters that the majority of people find annoying.
That being said, I believe that a better way to look at it is to simply not let this kind of thing bother you. It is the internet. Imagine everyone is a pimply thirty-year-old deadbeat lurking and trolling from their parents basement and just ignore them, by function or just by not being bothered, and suddenly everything becomes a lot easier.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I'm still confused about one thing.
Is this thread about being civil towards other members or towards players?

A lot of the discussion is about respecting other members and I think 99% of the board would agree with that anyway. That wasn't what the thread seemed to be about though.

[Temporary_User]

This thread is already onto page 9 so I normally wouldn't post anything, but I'll add my opinion to this thread...

Threads these days just grow to be too large too quickly. I can't keep up and read 9 pages on every thread.

You have to search through and find the actual discussion through all the crap.

I would propose having a minimum word count required for every post. Just enough to make every post somewhat thought out and not a quick one line or even one word. 150 words maybe?

It would also limit the number of photo only posts that are just jokes and really add nothing.

Too many people on this forum seem to feel like they have to comment something to every discussion even if they aren't really adding anything to the discussion.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread is already onto page 9 so I normally wouldn't post anything, but I'll add my opinion to this thread...

Threads these days just grow to be too large too quickly. I can't keep up and read 9 pages on every thread.

You have to search through and find the actual discussion through all the crap.

I would propose having a minimum word count required for every post. Just enough to make every post somewhat thought out and not a quick one line or even one word. 150 words maybe?

It would also limit the number of photo only posts that are just jokes and really add nothing.

Too many people on this forum seem to feel like they have to comment something to every discussion even if they aren't really adding anything to the discussion.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but what kind of forum do you want?
Seriously. Why does it bother you how long a post is? Read what you want or don't. Who gets to judge if a post is "adding" anything?

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Go and health away venting as much as you want. Do it to people who WANT to be vented at. Don't do it here - many do not want that.



You want to express passionate frustration at how the Flames played/season went/GG coached/Cameron screwed up the PP? No problem. Just don't call people names, act like a childish boor or talk to someone the way you wouldn't, talking to your grandparent, employer etc.



No one is asking for purity and virtue - just common courtesy (which, as I read this thread seems surprisingly uncommon for some).

Agreed totally! If someone disagrees, talk about it like a normal human. Having every thread bogged down with “Fire GlueGun” is the most ridiculous.

First of all, are you a child where you need to name call? Second, if you’ve repeated this 10 times in the last 10 threads, we get it. Analyze what sucks about Glens system rather than bogging threads down with your useless garbage.

Grinds my gears

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread is already onto page 9 so I normally wouldn't post anything, but I'll add my opinion to this thread...

Threads these days just grow to be too large too quickly. I can't keep up and read 9 pages on every thread.

You have to search through and find the actual discussion through all the crap.

I would propose having a minimum word count required for every post. Just enough to make every post somewhat thought out and not a quick one line or even one word. 150 words maybe?

It would also limit the number of photo only posts that are just jokes and really add nothing.

Too many people on this forum seem to feel like they have to comment something to every discussion even if they aren't really adding anything to the discussion.

I can understand this sentiment but I used to help run a very large forum about 10 years ago and introducing this type of thing really helped kill the community entirely. It sounds good in theory but it wouldn't make those people improve the quality of their posts, it would just make them stop coming here entirely. And again some might be thinking that even that might not be too bad but trust me, after a while you end up with only a small handful of posters and the whole thing just isnt fun anymore.

These days I think forums like this need less restrictions to promote growth and participation. Let the community decide what's acceptable don't force this type of thing with rules. (Speaking strictly about rules about posting quality, obviously you don't turn it into a free for all entirely)

[Bingo]

I'm a less rules guy and when I ran the whole thing literally nobody got banned. I just dealt with them head to head.

Clearly with the size of this thing now that wouldn't work, and with that I owe the moderation team a tonne.

Others have mentioned what you'd say if you were sitting across from someone having a beer, and I think that's key. I would like to think that anyone that has ever met me would say I'm exactly the same in person as I am on the site. I take pride in that.

I love debate.
I love to be challenged.
I love to give second thought to things that I think I have figured out.

But I do agree there has been an up in pissiness of late, which I don't think brings a lot to the table.

As a guy looking at the numbers there have been times where I honestly see people mad at me for having a different opinion than them, taken to the extreme with the suggestion that I'm bought and paid for.

I think when that happens people need to chill out a bit and look in the mirror. It's a coach with too much hair spray, it's not life and death.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'm still confused about one thing.
Is this thread about being civil towards other members or towards players?

A lot of the discussion is about respecting other members and I think 99% of the board would agree with that anyway. That wasn't what the thread seemed to be about though.

I think we can obviously be more civil towards members, but I also think the player/coach stuff goes over the top a fair bit.

[The Boy Wonder]

CP is just fine the way it is. If you don’t think so I would suggest checking out any comments section on a CBC article to see what the vast majority of online discussion is actually like.

[Toonage]

The fact that we're having this discussion in a thread dedicated to it tells me that CP is going to be alright.

We might not always see eye to eye but you're good people CP.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

And to those people, I really didn't mean to offend you because I had no idea you wanted to have a mutual admiration session. But ask yourself, what exactly is the purpose of having a thread dedicated to congratulating Matt Stajan on an internet forum? Like seriously...do you expect him to read it and be like "wow thank you poster MikeDeWillis. Your congrats means sooo much to me!"? Whose benefit are you posting it for? And if the purpose is namely so you can all get together and have a love-fest for the Staj, would you like me to make my own "Does Matt Stajan's long but mediocre career deserve our admiration?" thread? Or am I suppose to just "keep my mouth shut and not have an opinion because it might hurt matt stajans feelings?"

Personally, I don't see much point in threads that exist just for a bunch of people to say positive things and agree with one another. But clearly there are people who do enjoy that sort of thing, so maybe they can be accommodated.

As I mentioned earlier, in some forums you can tag a thread [positive only]. I'm not sure if this forum tool has that capability, but there's nothing stopping users from putting [positive only] in a thread header. I think other users would respect that choice, and mods would have license to come down promptly on anyone who disregards it.

[DuffMan]

I think you're all wrong and should just shut up

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

The Trump win really sidetracked a lot of the political threads but they seem to be coming back to somewhat normal outside of the American thread.

My only issue is I got a 1 month suspension for not knowing what a word meant and asking for clarification (maybe I could have been clearer) and missed the survivor pool.

which word?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

CP is just fine the way it is. If you don’t think so I would suggest checking out any comments section on a CBC article to see what the vast majority of online discussion is actually like.

Only being just better than a complete free-for-all is hardly a bar to set.

It's rather like the Flames PP going 1-for-45. If all they do is set 2-for-45 as a target would you be happy?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I think you're all wrong and should just shut up

Well, that's constructive. Thanks for the input.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread is already onto page 9 so I normally wouldn't post anything, but I'll add my opinion to this thread...

Threads these days just grow to be too large too quickly. I can't keep up and read 9 pages on every thread.

You have to search through and find the actual discussion through all the crap.

I would propose having a minimum word count required for every post. Just enough to make every post somewhat thought out and not a quick one line or even one word. 150 words maybe?

It would also limit the number of photo only posts that are just jokes and really add nothing.

Too many people on this forum seem to feel like they have to comment something to every discussion even if they aren't really adding anything to the discussion.

No.

[stone hands]

I don't think anyone is asking for a positive reinforcement echo chamber, rather I think people (at least me) are just asking for people to be cordial. To substantiate your opinion beyond "Are you even watching the game idiot". To debate with the intention of challenging a person's assertion or opinion without resorting to strawmen or personal attacks. Some people already do this, but the noise to content ratio has certainly gone up a lot

I think it's important to realize it's not about making people feel good about themselves(though it's a nice side effrct) but rather the quality of discussion goes down by a lot when a snarky condescending post is made in light of one with some thought and intention behind it

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Well, that's constructive. Thanks for the input.

I'm starting to see what your problem may be.

[EVERLAST]

I wish we had a section solely devoted on this forum to just spew the venom we, me ,some of us have after becoming as exasperated with this past season and others.

I also wish we had a section in the dome for a few hundred puckers to sit together and scream our fool heads off , enjoy many libations and Nosh.

This would be fun. Cheer ....start chants like in Nashville with the goal chants and you suck , it's all your fault, Giiiiiiiiiibson!!!!

I love this forum even when it causes rectal discomfort. We all want to see good hockey , an effort , wins etc.

This offseason will hopefully give us some positivity.

I personally have lowered my expectations by about 30% so I'm where I ought to be in terms of expectations.

Have. Great day everyone.