Can CP become a "civil" place again?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This place is civil. Im really not sure what the complaining is about. Has there been an influx of tender millenials that need a safe space forum on this board where no negativity is allowed? Maybe we can have a Flames sub-forum where only positivity is allowed; no discussion of score; no talk of winners and losers; only talk of players strengths, not there weaknesses..
Many of the comments and conplaints in this thread are bizarre. I dont know what world some posters live in if theyre complaining about this place.

Not one person has advocated only positive comments be allowed. The discussion is about posts that go beyond a critique. Or have no apostrophes.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This place is civil. Im really not sure what the complaining is about. Has there been an influx of tender millenials that need a safe space forum on this board where no negativity is allowed? Maybe we can have a Flames sub-forum where only positivity is allowed; no discussion of score; no talk of winners and losers; only talk of players strengths, not there weaknesses..
Many of the comments and conplaints in this thread are bizarre. I dont know what world some posters live in if theyre complaining about this place.

Pretty sure that the OP is old. Not to be disrespectful to him but I think he's really old. If anything it's they millennial who are more disrespectful.

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[Cube Inmate]

A forum where people are allowed to type their response ABOVE the quoted text? That would never be considered a civilized place by any sane man!

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This place is civil. Im really not sure what the complaining is about.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I feel like this place is already a lot better since chronic trolls like Tinordi and calgaryblood were banned. Some people just want to drag every thread into the muck and that in turn degrades the quality of every discussion. I actually think this place is in a better spot than it was when I left.

My advice is use to use the report feature when you see posters who keep dragging discussions down without adding any contributions themselves. The pure trolls tend to rile everyone up and make the mood more hostile.

But yeah, we could all stand to be a bit more civil in our discourse.

Hey welcome back!! Now if we can get Stryker Steve back too, then this forum is already a good measure returned!

How about some conspiracy theory? Not all who claim to be Flames fans are in actual. That's right! - straight up trolls.
Oilers and Canucks have been bad all year. With no meaningful games of their own, the trolls of those groups have gleefully gathered here as Flames only fell apart down the stretch.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The top viewed and most posted thread on the CP Fire on Ice forum is 2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors --- which makes sense

The next most active thread is a hate thread. ..Edmonton Is No Good V: Same Crap, Less Cap

I find it ironic that there is any expectation of civility when there are such a large number of posters that are comfortable posting on a hate thread.

But It's a unifying, feel-good kind of hate.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

But It's a unifying, feel-good kind of hate.

The Edmonton is No Good threads are misunderstood by some folks
Prior to having them, that type of stuff seeped into a ton of other threads. Having those threads has centralized a lot of it and allowed for other threads to remain focused.
More than that though, for the most part I view the E=NG thread to be good natured and a place for us to make fun of the teams' biggest historic rivals.
Those that consider it to be a serious thing, are missing the point.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The top viewed and most posted thread on the CP Fire on Ice forum is 2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors --- which makes sense

The next most active thread is a hate thread. ..Edmonton Is No Good V: Same Crap, Less Cap

I find it ironic that there is any expectation of civility when there are such a large number of posters that are comfortable posting on a hate thread.

That's a fun, over-the-top, thread. Calling it a hate thread seems pretty extreme to me. We're Springfield, they're Shelbyville. Rivalries like this are in good fun.

[blender]

On the topic of internet forums in general, there is another place I frequent that used to be completely unmoderated. The members policed each other ruthlessly and if you ran afoul of the rules (clearly laid out and stickied on the front page) you would be dealt with with extreme prejudice. It was not a very welcoming and inclusive place but the quality of discussion was top flight and threads didn't veer off course or get c@$ted up by trolls or wasters.

Due to issues stemming from posting innapropriate content that forum is now "lightly moderated" and a lot of long time members feel that it is in decline. I tend to agree.

I like it here more, but there is something to be said for an unregulated online community IMO.

[cannon7]

Bah, you darn kids, when I was your age CP was exactly the same.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by blender

On the topic of internet forums in general, there is another place I frequent that used to be completely unmoderated. The members policed each other ruthlessly and if you ran afoul of the rules (clearly laid out and stickied on the front page) you would be dealt with with extreme prejudice. It was not a very welcoming and inclusive place but the quality of discussion was top flight and threads didn't veer off course or get c@$ted up by trolls or wasters.

Due to issues stemming from posting innapropriate content that forum is now "lightly moderated" and a lot of long time members feel that it is in decline. I tend to agree.

I like it here more, but there is something to be said for an unregulated online community IMO.

I also frequent(ed) a forum with absolutely no moderation. It was fun until the topic it was based around had long since passed it's time(video game released in 1999) At which point the board attracted members solely on the fact that it was a "free speech" forum, which turned it over time into an alt-right, racist, facist sounding board where the most prominent members spend all day complaining about minorities and snowflakes - it went from an off topic forum with a bunch of familiar faces where you could have the most honest conversations imaginable into little more than a place for a couple of people to post /pol screencaps of hyper-sjw tweets and calling people who don't think all Muslims are evil terrorists' workplaces to get them fired

Now, not trying to discredit what you're saying, because prior to what I would call the takeover, i almost exclusively posted there and it was great. also, unless the flames leave town and cp remains for some reason for 15 more years, then the situations arent really comparable. But just what I think is an interesting flipside to this

[blender]

Originally Posted by stone hands

I also frequent(ed) a forum with absolutely no moderation. It was fun until the topic it was based around had long since passed it's time(video game released in 1999) At which point the board attracted members solely on the fact that it was a "free speech" forum, which turned it over time into an alt-right, racist, facist sounding board where the most prominent members spend all day complaining about minorities and snowflakes - it went from an off topic forum with a bunch of familiar faces where you could have the most honest conversations imaginable into little more than a place for a couple of people to post /pol screencaps of hyper-sjw tweets and calling people who don't think all Muslims are evil terrorists' workplaces to get them fired

Now, not trying to discredit what you're saying, because prior to what I would call the takeover, i almost exclusively posted there and it was great. also, unless the flames leave town and cp remains for some reason for 15 more years, then the situations arent really comparable. But just what I think is an interesting flipside to this

I hear you. The strength of the place I mentioned is that it is relatively broad spectrum so less prone to irrelevance. Nevertheless it is very different from here and not in a good way necessarily.

On topic, I think this is a good discussion to have as it is important to be aware of our tendencies and self-examination is the road to knowledge. CP is a pretty quality place, for the internet.

[Beninho]

As someone who is a member of other forums for other teams this site is a breath of fresh air. Some things I see on this Toronto Raptors forum would get a lifetime ban on here. This is a great site with a wide variety of opinions with some more on the extreme ends, but for the most part people here are very respectful and realistic. The negativity is from the flames underachieving, which I think is normal.

[codynw]

@ me next time

[Samonadreau]

Jays won tonight. 2 thumbs up right there.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Have you ever considered that maybe some of the more blistering ways people engage with sports (not just with the Flames and CP, but every sport), is actually healthy to a degree? Maybe its healthy for people to be venting and engaging with that bit of tribalism (that we all have in us) by making bitter comments on a message board instead of in real life. If it bothers you that much maybe you're the one who has to assess why? Is it that hard to just read an annoying comment, shake your head and chuckle, and just get on with your day? Or do we need to make a concerted effort to police the board and make sure everyone displays optimum purity and virtue?

Go and health away venting as much as you want. Do it to people who WANT to be vented at. Don't do it here - many do not want that.

You want to express passionate frustration at how the Flames played/season went/GG coached/Cameron screwed up the PP? No problem. Just don't call people names, act like a childish boor or talk to someone the way you wouldn't, talking to your grandparent, employer etc.

No one is asking for purity and virtue - just common courtesy (which, as I read this thread seems surprisingly uncommon for some).

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I'll try to post more positively too... I've been pretty damning of GG myself, and being a younger person I tend to be more hotheaded and impatient about coaching/player indictments.

I think you might be among the least of CP's problems....

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Pretty sure that the OP is old. Not to be disrespectful to him but I think he's really old. If anything it's they millennial who are more disrespectful.

You'd be correct.

And I'm really happy to have a good argument. I spend a fair portion of my life doing just that with CRA on a pretty regular basis. But I don't call them asinine idiots either...that tends to be somewhat counterproductive. No different here.

[GullFoss]

I think this is a good thread, but it's not going to solve anything for the two reasons set out below.

1. It's not me, its you. AKA One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

The funny thing about the the OP is that its so vague on specifics that 100 people can thank it and think its directed at different people. Short of having a vote to call posters out or having the mods explain their temporary suspensions - no one is going to come to self-realisation that they are part of the problem or know where the line is.

For example, when I read it, I think about all the people who posted the same "GG is a great coach" stuff all year long and were super repetitive and baited us. A real nuisance and detracted from my enjoyment of the board. A lot of these posters actually thanked the OP...and I'm thinking to myself "THESE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!

These same posters are probably reading the OP and thinking "that Gullfoss is real asshat, and he's bringing down the discourse of this board by being so negative and critical. And mean. And unfair."


2. Are we having a discussion or circle-jerk? AKA its not an echo chamber AKA the board is different things to different people

Scorpian's thread "Glen Gulutzan is a good coach" from early in the season could have been either a mutual admiration thread about Gully or it could be interpreted as "Glen Gulutzan is a good coach? Discuss...". I took it to mean the latter. And this is the way I like to think the Scorpian meant it.

The thread "Congrats Matt Stajan" could have either been a mutual admiration thread about how amazing Matt Stajan and his accomplishment of longevity is. Or it could have been "Congrats Matt Stajan? Discuss..." thread.

Many people seemed genuinely offended that I took it to mean the latter - and felt I was being super disrespectful. A lot of people are going to ask "How did Gullfoss not possibly see that the Matt Stajan thread was suppose to be an echo chamber!?!?!?!?"

And to those people, I really didn't mean to offend you because I had no idea you wanted to have a mutual admiration session. But ask yourself, what exactly is the purpose of having a thread dedicated to congratulating Matt Stajan on an internet forum? Like seriously...do you expect him to read it and be like "wow thank you poster MikeDeWillis. Your congrats means sooo much to me!"? Whose benefit are you posting it for? And if the purpose is namely so you can all get together and have a love-fest for the Staj, would you like me to make my own "Does Matt Stajan's long but mediocre career deserve our admiration?" thread? Or am I suppose to just "keep my mouth shut and not have an opinion because it might hurt matt stajans feelings?"

It makes a lot more sense - in my view - for it to be a discussion topic. So that's how I interpreted it

[The Boy Wonder]

Nvm

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Go and health away venting as much as you want. Do it to people who WANT to be vented at. Don't do it here - many do not want that.

You want to express passionate frustration at how the Flames played/season went/GG coached/Cameron screwed up the PP? No problem. Just don't call people names, act like a childish boor or talk to someone the way you wouldn't, talking to your grandparent, employer etc.

No one is asking for purity and virtue - just common courtesy (which, as I read this thread seems surprisingly uncommon for some).

There are already forum rules and mods already seem to take action on infractions as far as I know. I suppose the rules aren't broad enough to cover your definition of boorishness? You could actually message the mods on specific instances of harassment, etc. if you feel posters have gone too far.

As far speaking as if its an employer, I'm not sure many posters are itching to come here and discuss the Flames just like they discuss TPS reports at their corporate, cubicle/office culture with their boss. People get spirited here because its an escape to follow the team and be passionate about it. I don't see what's wrong with that. I would hate to see the life sucked out of this place. We've already had it sucked out of the hockey team.