Can CP become a "civil" place again?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

It doesn't work well enough because you still see those hidden posts quoted in everyone else's posts. I still see long discussions where half the posts are hidden from my view. I chuckle to myself sensibly, and then go on my way......but then I have to try and find the first relevant post that happens after that fruitless debate. It can take awhile sometimes.

I'd love it if there could be a "hide" feature where the name of the poster you've hidden doesn't appear and only "Post Hidden" is shown. I think there's less of a temptation to unhide is under the premise of "lets see what &*)(#%, the moron, said this time" when people get bored.

[calf]

Originally Posted by New Era

People who rail against political correctness always strike me as people who don't want to be challenged for the thoughtlessness of what they have to say.

All taxbuster & others are really asking for is people to put thought into what they say, positive or negative, and not to be a jerk about it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

None of the real problem posters are reading this thread anyways. And if they are they're thinking the thread isn't about them.

It's like those threads we used to have about what type of fan you are. 99% of respondents claimed they were level headed and don't get too high and don't get too low. All about the even kiel.

But when you read every other thread it is filled with people at an 11 on the emotion scale and posting nothing but super positive or super negative depending on the team's performance that game/period/shift.

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by calf

People who rail against political correctness always strike me as people who don't want to be challenged for the thoughtlessness of what they have to say.

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So...people who don't agree with you are stupid...Got it! Things can go south on both sides of the coin. people can be over bearing in their views and how they express them and people can also be hyper sensitive to anything contrary to their own line of thinking. In both cases you get the fringe elements that don't accept any real discussion. Maybe we just have different ideas about what political correctness is.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Comparing sports fandom to religious fanaticism is probably not helping your “there’s nothing wrong about this!” cause.

I think religious fanaticism is a pretty low bar. One that people cheering for a game can and probably should rise above fairly easily.

Yet I don't see that large of a difference between the two groups, look at Soccer fans in England and Europe, Raiders fans, Yankees fans, etc.

I'm not saying there isn't an issue, I am saying that no matter what people do, I feel this will cause a watered down discussion forum. Name calling can go a bit far but many people that care enough to discuss this will have strong enough feelings to defend their opinion and sometimes in life you have to deal with name calling as juvenile as it is.

I'm not defending the negative aspects but I do defend free speech. CP has a built in function to allow you to avoid users that consistently post against what you believe is civil, use it.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

The onus is on Treliving to fire GlueGun. That would make fans a bit more optimistic about the future of the Flames.
Ownership could fire Ken King as well which would go along way too.

I don't think that's taking responsibility for ones own behavior. I know I'm not perfect here. Regardless of how the ups and downs of a group of grown men playing a child's game play out, you can still find a way not to be a dick to strangers

[sempuki]

No one says you can't disagree, or be critical. Just don't be a raging ####### when you do it. It's just the basics of being not a complete dickhead.

[Thor]

When the flames started their slide, I stopped visiting this forum, I stuck to Off topic for this exact reason.

[calf]

Originally Posted by rotten42

So...people who don't agree with you are stupid...Got it! Things can go south on both sides of the coin.

Not stupid, but unnecessarily abrasive. Strawman arguments, ad homenim attacks, etc. Sometimes there's a miscommunication, or clarification that can be asked for, or a valid counterpoint that can be made. But a lot of times people will just go right into attack mode first.

people can be over bearing in their views and how they express them and people can also be hyper sensitive to anything contrary to their own line of thinking. In both cases you get the fringe elements that don't accept any real discussion. Maybe we just have different ideas about what political correctness is.

For sure. For me, I don't post a lot - but I ghost post a ton, and it's usually when I step back and try and think of what someone reading my post might come across; and usually it's when one of the two extremes you point out might pop up (and that I don't really want to/have time to get into a back-and-forth with someone).

[Stay Golden]

Wading in while in between clients. Post as if you (meaning anyone) were face to face with the person.
Its perfectly fine to bag on Gulutzan, Treliving, good trades bad trades, coaching staff, players or support any one of those subjects.
What is not cool JMO is bagging on particular posters and popping off at them because you dislike them even though u know very little about them.
Me I prefer to just like comments that align with my thought on the topic.
I have cut my posts way back this year simply because I just don't need the arguments.
Social experiment next time u are in a lineup anywhere start a conversation with a stranger about anything and then reply you are an idiot and see where that goes.
Then go up to your boss the next day ask him any question and reply you are an idiot and see if you are still employed.

[calumniate]

Honestly it's been a frustrating season, but the level of civility hasn't these days hasn't bothered me much.

What frustrated me in the past were the 'chronic' negative posters, and troll baiters that would spew negativity whether the team was doing well or not. Luckily I think the mods have taken care of the big names in the business during the last couple of years! I give them props for that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Yet I don't see that large of a difference between the two groups, look at Soccer fans in England and Europe, Raiders fans, Yankees fans, etc.

And yet, hooligans are seen as criminals, Raiders fans as unwelcoming, and Yankee fans just got laughed at in the sports world for booing Stanton at their first home game.

There are examples of it, but none of them are positive, and all of them are low bar. If you’re happy with a toxic fan culture, so be it, but I like taxbuster for standing up and saying something about it instead of lazily just hitting the ignore button.

And hey, maybe you could even excuse a toxic fan culture if there was some genuine passion to it. But go to the Dome, it’s a library. You want to excuse toxic behaviour under the name of being a “fan”? Well if you listen to the crowd in Oakland, New York, or Liverpool, you’ll hear what fans sound like, even when the team is losing. And it’s not crickets.

[DuffMan]

I miss Springs1

[zamler]

Originally Posted by calf

For sure. For me, I don't post a lot - but I ghost post a ton, and it's usually when I step back and try and think of what someone reading my post might come across; and usually it's when one of the two extremes you point out might pop up (and that I don't really want to/have time to get into a back-and-forth with someone).

Explain.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

I miss Springs1

Bring back Moon!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Bring back Moon!

I'm for this. It was easy to get to the truth with him around, the exact opposite of what he posted was correct.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by calf

All taxbuster & others are really asking for is people to put thought into what they say, positive or negative, and not to be a jerk about it.

I think this is why a lot of old-school posters get sin-binned as well. After years on here they do it in a way that is more snarky, or more abrasive and less helpful, and eventually leads to their downfall.

I think part of that is that it wears on you. It definitely wears on me. There are emotional posts, and those usually get a pass, but if a) there were more thought put into posts and b) less defensiveness when said thoughts are challenged [in a healthy debate manner], then it would be idyllic.

Either that or we'll all be Vegas fans by this time next year.

[calf]

Originally Posted by zamler

Explain.

I write a post up, then delete it/don't post (not posting for other people). Sometimes because I'm being a dick or oversensitive. Or because I realize my logic doesn't hold up so someone reading and potentially responding would be a waste.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

I think this is why a lot of old-school posters get sin-binned as well. After years on here they do it in a way that is more snarky, or more abrasive and less helpful, and eventually leads to their downfall.

I think part of that is that it wears on you. It definitely wears on me. There are emotional posts, and those usually get a pass, but if a) there were more thought put into posts and b) less defensiveness when said thoughts are challenged [in a healthy debate manner], then it would be idyllic.

Either that or we'll all be Vegas fans by this time next year.

lol, look at this hippie.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by nik-

lol, look at this hippie.

peace and love my brother (or sister - I don't judge)