2 dead & 6 injured as teens take after hours sled ride down Winsport bobsleigh track

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I've read through the whole thread and didn't find this information. I would still want that man-door (?) and garage door securely locked. If some stupid kids could easily get through those measures, I don't think Winsport has done enough. I stand by my coining of the phrase death trap. It's an inconspicuous tunnel (trap) that leads to you hurtling 100km/hr into brick wall (death). The more dangerous the contraption the greater duty of care to ensure no one winds up in it.

If it makes you feel any better, the whole "legal debate" here on CP basically centers around some folks feeling that Winsport has done enough, and others feeling that they haven't. For instance, the hyperbole in your post...their sleds couldn't have been going 100kph (since professional ones only might be doing 95 by that point) and it's not a brick wall, it's a steel switching gate.

Some folks just want to watch the world burn. Some folks just want to wrap the world in safety bubble wrap...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I've read through the whole thread and didn't find this information. I would still want that man-door (?) and garage door securely locked. If some stupid kids could easily get through those measures, I don't think Winsport has done enough. I stand by my coining of the phrase death trap. It's an inconspicuous tunnel (trap) that leads to you hurtling 100km/hr into brick wall (death). The more dangerous the contraption the greater duty of care to ensure no one winds up in it.

If you read through the whole thread, how did you not pick up on how they actually died and what they actually hit?

And who says these kids were stupid? Two of them worked there, it's incredibly likely that their depth of knowledge contributed to them being able to enter the course.

We might never know all the details but we do know some and I don't think downplaying the intelligence of the teens and overplaying the danger of the already dangerous course serves anybody.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I've read through the whole thread and didn't find this information. I would still want that man-door (?) and garage door securely locked. If some stupid kids could easily get through those measures, I don't think Winsport has done enough. I stand by my coining of the phrase death trap. It's an inconspicuous tunnel (trap) that leads to you hurtling 100km/hr into brick wall (death). The more dangerous the contraption the greater duty of care to ensure no one winds up in it.

First off, you didn't coin the phrase "death trap". I've heard that one before.

And an "inconspicuous tunnel"? You are using a different definition of the words "inconspicuous" and "tunnel" than most people would. And "contraption". And "trap". And "brick wall".

You could have a point about making it harder to access, but don't try to prove that point by pretending those kids ended up there by accident and just happened to wind up on a hidden underground bobsled track that ended in a brick wall.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

First off, you didn't coin the phrase "death trap". I've heard that one before.

And an "inconspicuous tunnel"? You are using a different definition of the words "inconspicuous" and "tunnel" than most people would. And "contraption". And "trap". And "brick wall".

You could have a point about making it harder to access, but don't try to prove that point by pretending those kids ended up there by accident and just happened to wind up on a hidden underground bobsled track that ended in a brick wall.

Well said. This wasnt a Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner skit.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Don't waste your breath. He does know. He's a 50 year old teenager. He laughs at how annoying and ridiculous he is. He's laughing at me just for writing this. For some reason, there are people that get a kick out of pretending to be ######ed. It's a schtick that unfortunately isn't ban-worthy, so the rest of us have to put up with it.

This.

I would read some of his lengthier posts and see that he'd put together a thoughtful, constructive argument. Based on those posts, you would assume he's a reasonably intelligent person.

Then he would go and post junk like this, essentially asking "why?" in 5 words or less as though google banned him for life for ever using their search engine. You would just shake your head wondering why would he uncharacteristically make these kid like posts when he have previously made quality posts in other threads

4x4, this makes sense.
A combination of him trying to annoy the people he dislikes on this messageboard, while trying to include himself in a conversation to make him feel relevant with the minimum amount of effort.

[Barbecue]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

ucb just being ucb

[peter12]

Does anyone know how they got into the actual entrance to the track? Photos that I saw looked like there was a garage-sized door, but also, open space surrounding the track that was just enclosed with a guardrail. Did they have to break down any locked doors?

[chemgear]

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/survivor-o...-out-1.2847406

"One thing I've learned is God never leaves you alone to suffer through an experience like this."

One of the young men who was seriously injured after sliding down the bobsleigh track at Calgary’s Canada Olympic Park earlier this year is speaking out about the incident and his recovery.

Sagert said the impact "smashed every bone" of his grandson's face, broke the base of his skull and cost him the vision in his right eye.

He says that Caleb never lost consciousness in the crash that involved seven other teen boys

[Fuzz]

If there's one thing that always pisses me off about these situations it's the goddamned god mentality. You know what? God never leaves you to suffer alone? What about the 2 kids that died? Did they not pray enough? I suppose God is the reason your kid is going to heal up, not the hard work of all the medical professionals that spent a decade in school dedicating their lives to help people like your son. Oh, no, not them. It's God that pulled your kid through this. F off.

[nik-]

Why does it matter to you?

He's the one that slammed into a wall, not you, who gives a #### what helps him get through it. It's not like he's at your door trying to convert you.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If there's one thing that always pisses me off about these situations it's the goddamned god mentality. You know what? God never leaves you to suffer alone? What about the 2 kids that died? Did they not pray enough? I suppose God is the reason your kid is going to heal up, not the hard work of all the medical professionals that spent a decade in school dedicating their lives to help people like your son. Oh, no, not them. It's God that pulled your kid through this. F off.

If that's what helps him get through this then what's it matter? He isn't pushing god on you saying you have to do the same thing.

We have the right to not worship god, he has the right to worship god.

[MRCboicgy]

I read that as more along the lines of they found comfort as the families and friends mourned and suffered the loss and pain.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If there's one thing that always pisses me off about these situations it's the goddamned god mentality. You know what? God never leaves you to suffer alone? What about the 2 kids that died? Did they not pray enough? I suppose God is the reason your kid is going to heal up, not the hard work of all the medical professionals that spent a decade in school dedicating their lives to help people like your son. Oh, no, not them. It's God that pulled your kid through this. F off.

Whatever helps him get through it. This is way more understandable than God helping a Quarterback win a football game.

[GGG]

And "God" is actually helping him through it. Whether its a placebo affect or the actual existence. This person is receiving help dealing with the situation from "God".

Would you be mad if he said meditation has helped me work though this tragedy. Or any other set of coping mechanisms that were created. Essentially he is just invoking an evolutionary coping mechanism.

[Flabbibulin]

Ya, I think a lot of people are referring more to the mental strength and fortitude that belief in a higher power brings them, as opposed to actually believing God miraculously intervened in the physical world... obviously some believe the latter, but even many people of faith now have a hard time understanding these claims.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If there's one thing that always pisses me off about these situations it's the goddamned god mentality. You know what? God never leaves you to suffer alone? What about the 2 kids that died? Did they not pray enough? I suppose God is the reason your kid is going to heal up, not the hard work of all the medical professionals that spent a decade in school dedicating their lives to help people like your son. Oh, no, not them. It's God that pulled your kid through this. F off.

Why should it piss you off, it has nothing to do with you. If someone going through a loss finds comfort in god or religion, or whatever good for them, if it helps them get through the healing process good for them.


If someone chooses to be angry at god because of the loss of a loved one, well that's part of the healing process as well.

Someone's beliefs are their beliefs, and if it helps its a good thing.

It has nothing to do with oh those other boys didn't pray hard enough and god didn't save them because of that.

Caleb said that the experience brought him closer to God. “One thing I’ve learned through this experience is God never leaves you alone to suffer through an experience like this. A lot of people would probably get really depressed after something like this but I really felt at peace and a hope through this because of God and all you guys’ prayers and support.”

Your post also shows a keen misunderstanding of what is being said.

If anyone is coming across as preachy here its you.

[Fuzz]

It pisses me off becuase it minimizes the hard work our medical professionals do. Ever been in a room with someone how has had their life saved, and someone comes in and says "it's a miracle! God saved you!" No, God didn't do squat.

How would you feel if every time you achieved something great at work your boss says, "hallelujah! God really nailed that one, eh?"

I'm probably overreacting in this case, but it happens so often and its depressing to hear.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It pisses me off becuase it minimizes the hard work our medical professionals do. Ever been in a room with someone how has had their life saved, and someone comes in and says "it's a miracle! God saved you!" No, God didn't do squat.

How would you feel if every time you achieved something great at work your boss says, "hallelujah! God really nailed that one, eh?"

I'm probably overreacting in this case, but it happens so often and its depressing to hear.

That has literally never happened to me, and I come from a religious family.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It pisses me off becuase it minimizes the hard work our medical professionals do. Ever been in a room with someone how has had their life saved, and someone comes in and says "it's a miracle! God saved you!" No, God didn't do squat.

How would you feel if every time you achieved something great at work your boss says, "hallelujah! God really nailed that one, eh?"

I'm probably overreacting in this case, but it happens so often and its depressing to hear.

That's weird. Doctors work hard and sometimes people still die. That's where the divine intervention crowd steps in...not when the doctors are working hard.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It pisses me off becuase it minimizes the hard work our medical professionals do. Ever been in a room with someone how has had their life saved, and someone comes in and says "it's a miracle! God saved you!" No, God didn't do squat.

How would you feel if every time you achieved something great at work your boss says, "hallelujah! God really nailed that one, eh?"

I'm probably overreacting in this case, but it happens so often and its depressing to hear.

He didn't say that at all, he didn't say that god healed. His prayers gave him hope and peace and a feeling that he wasn't going through this alone.

I don't get your argument, in this case because what your saying happened or is said isn't there.

If he said, god made me walk or healed broken bones, great.

But begrudging someone because they prayed and felt better because of it and his faith comes across as a little petty.

Saying it pisses you off makes you sound self absorbed.