[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

I am saying he should have called their bluff. I, unlike many others, am not a big fan on the return we got. We basically got three assets that may or may not ever play in the NHL for a guy that is likely to be in the NHL next year. Its obvious Erixon wanted to play in New York and Rangers wanted him too. Call their bluff and see if they fold, I think Rangers knew he they couldn't get him at 15 and I don't think Erixon is any position to risk where he ends up, what if its Edmonton or Winnipeg who drafted him. I am not saying Feaster Completely failed, but given that he had 4 weeks to gauge Erixon on a entry level contract, he certainly dropped the ball to a certain extent.

How do you know Feaster didn't already do this? Maybe they offered a second and 5th at first? Maybe they made it really clear that the 1st round pick was off limits? The Flames began investigating possible trades a week ago so they had a backup plan if Erixon couldn't be signed. I'd guess the the Rangers had the best deal, or at least as good of a deal as the other teams they asked, and they probably knew ahead of the trade that Erixon would sign there. Also, he only had about two weeks to get Erixon on an entry level contract. His last game was May 15. May 16 was when they could start negotiating with him.

Finally, the rangers with the 15th pick and 2 second rounders, almost certainly could have moved up in the draft to a place where they could get him if they felt he was important enough.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Well there's one other avenue the Flames could have explored here that doesn't seem to have been discussed much.

They could have let Erixon re-enter and pick him 13th overall.

At first it seems dumb as you are basically throwing away a 1st rounder since you used two firsts on the same player.

But it would also

a) show Erixon's camp that this kind of monkey business doesn't fly
b) show Slats that the tampering business doesn't fly

Or at the very least you tell Sather that you have no problems re-drafting at 13 and force the price up in the trade. Let it be clear to Erixon's camp as well...see if they are willing to throw away another 2 years of his career just to eventually play somewhere else.

Would be a ballsy thing to do but I guess we'll never know how it might have turned out.

That would've been ballsy but imagine the trade if NYR really wanted him. NYR would have had to give up the 15th pick as well as a pick or a prospect because Erixon is 2 years into his development and NHL ready now.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

How do you know Feaster didn't already do this? Maybe they offered a second and 5th at first? Maybe they made it really clear that the 1st round pick was off limits? The Flames began investigating possible trades a week ago so they had a backup plan if Erixon couldn't be signed. I'd guess the the Rangers had the best deal, or at least as good of a deal as the other teams they asked, and they probably knew ahead of the trade that Erixon would sign there.

Where are you getting this from? OR are you speculating on what may have happened. And he may only have be negotiating for two weeks, Feaster admitted he has been talking to Erixon's agent for a while now.

[Beerfest]

Its good to gain some second round picks, hopefully we can make them worthwhile.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Where are you getting this from? OR are you speculating on what may have happened

I'm wondering if your speculating on what may or may not have happened? Feaster explicitly said they started looking into trades a week ago when they felt things weren't going good. They had conversations with the rangers as much as a week ago as well, but told them they were still going to try sign him before trading. Then they took 15 hours or something like that to negotiate the deal with the Rangers, finally coming to an agreement a couple hours before the deadline.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Where are you getting this from? OR are you speculating on what may have happened. And he may only have be negotiating for two weeks, Feaster admitted he has been talking to Erixon's agent for a while now.

it is pretty clear he is speculating by his use of the word maybe, but that's all anyone can do is speculate because none of us were privy to the conversations

that said there could be more to this than Feaster is saying, he knows it looks bad if he trashes a player in the media, but I wouldn't be shocked under the circumstances if Erixon requested a trade to the Rangers

[IliketoPuck]

I've found in life that things happen for a reason. My take on this is that Tim Erixon was a good miss. Two second rounders, plus an offensive center that has proven chemistry with our best sniper prospect in exchange for a petulant child with his head up his arse works just fine for me.

Kudos to Feaster and company for doing everything they could, and then when that wasn't enough, being able to turn a big issue into a moot point.

[IliketoPuck]

Oh and as a further note, I really want Feaster to look into tampering by the NYR, as there should be an information vacuum between the Flames and Rangers. This was clearly not the case and Tim has had this little plan brewing up for quite some time, it just went off way too easily for there not to have been a plan waiting.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Happy to see a offensive C in Flames system. Next Prucha maybe? I kid, I wish.

Apparently last summer he trained with Kotalik. I see multiple 30goal seasons in this kid!

[Itse]

Being that the Rangers propably didn't have to offer as much as they did (I'm assuming they knew they had all the aces), I'm guessing they wanted to make the offer solid enough that the Flames would not be bitter enough to complain about the obvious tampering.

We'll see how that works.

Then again, everyone and their cousin knows there was tampering, it's that obvious, so there's propably little need to make a fuss, unless they think they can actually prove something. People who matter will know what just happened. Will that matter in the future? We'll propably never know.

But my guess is, Grossman gets his pick of new clients. What his clients want, he delivers.

[GilmourforLeeman]

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[GilmourforLeeman]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Happy to see a offensive C in Flames system. Next Prucha maybe? I kid, I wish.

Apparently last summer he trained with Kotalik. I see multiple 30goal seasons in this kid!

Awesome! So that's why they are calling him lazy without the puck..look who he's training with..

[dissentowner]

The fact that some here are still blaming Feaster is mind boggling.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

I am saying he should have called their bluff. I, unlike many others, am not a big fan on the return we got. We basically got three assets that may or may not ever play in the NHL for a guy that is likely to be in the NHL next year. Its obvious Erixon wanted to play in New York and Rangers wanted him too. Call their bluff and see if they fold, I think Rangers knew he they couldn't get him at 15 and I don't think Erixon is any position to risk where he ends up, what if its Edmonton or Winnipeg who drafted him. I am not saying Feaster Completely failed, but given that he had 4 weeks to gauge Erixon on a entry level contract, he certainly dropped the ball to a certain extent.

You know, unlike some others, I definitely don't think Erixon would be drafted in the top 10. While I certainly think some team would take him in the first round, I don't really see Erixon improving his draft position all that much. Had Erixon re-entered the draft, I'm confident Erixon would have been there when the Rangers pick UNLESS the Flames chose to draft Erixon again. For me, it's a case where the Rangers don't want to use their first to select Erixon rather than knowing Erixon won't be there.

With that said, part of me wanted Feaster to give Erixon a big F U. Trade Erixon to some other team even if it meant a lesser return. Or let Erixon re-enter the draft and either re-draft Erixon, let Erixon go to another team, or let Rangers use their first on Erixon. It sucks, but it sends the right message.

As it stands, regardless of the return, I can't help but think the Flames got bent over. I'm not blaming Feaster for seeking the best return. But like I said, part of me wish he didn't take the Rangers deal. This really sets a bad precedent and there might come a day when Feaster is hated around the league for this.

[debil]

do you really blame him? The guy is playing top minutes in swedish top senior league, playing for swedish national team, first rounder and flames organization says he needs 2 more seasons in juniors/farm to make the NHL team? We just lost another 1st rounder. Wow, just wow. Stupid talent management by the flames organization.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by debil

do you really blame him? The guy is playing top minutes in swedish top senior league, playing for swedish national team, first rounder and flames organization says he needs 2 more seasons in juniors/farm to make the NHL team? We just lost another 1st rounder. Wow, just wow. Stupid talent management by the flames organization.

Feaster told Erixon that he thinks he'll make the team out of camp, no one said he needs 2 more seasons in the farm.

Yes, I completely blame Tim Erixon. Those blaming the Flames clearly do not understand the situation.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

How do you know Feaster didn't already do this? Maybe they offered a second and 5th at first? Maybe they made it really clear that the 1st round pick was off limits? The Flames began investigating possible trades a week ago so they had a backup plan if Erixon couldn't be signed. I'd guess the the Rangers had the best deal, or at least as good of a deal as the other teams they asked, and they probably knew ahead of the trade that Erixon would sign there. Also, he only had about two weeks to get Erixon on an entry level contract. His last game was May 15. May 16 was when they could start negotiating with him.

Finally, the rangers with the 15th pick and 2 second rounders, almost certainly could have moved up in the draft to a place where they could get him if they felt he was important enough.

His team mate and fellow d-man David Runblad who was drafted in the 17th spot the same draft Erixon went 23rd and out performed Erixon at the WJC and the WC as well as the same club team (50 pt for Runblad and 24 for Erixon) signed an EL contract June 10,2010.

The signed Runblad was traded from ST. L to Ottawa (where he wanted to be) for Ottawa's first round pick in 2010, 16th overall.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by debil

do you really blame him? The guy is playing top minutes in swedish top senior league, playing for swedish national team, first rounder and flames organization says he needs 2 more seasons in juniors/farm to make the NHL team? We just lost another 1st rounder. Wow, just wow. Stupid talent management by the flames organization.

Entirely false.

“That’s a player that we very much would have liked to have on our blueline (this season),” said Feaster. “No matter how many ways we expressed it, no matter how many ways I tried to explain it, there just wasn’t a comfort level (for the Erixon camp).

Erixon had no desire to play in the American Hockey League — not an uncommon sentiment for European players. So Feaster threw in a clause that would permit him to return to his native Sweden should he not crack the Flames lineup.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Flames+long+trade+Erixon+Rangers/4878529/story.html#ixzz1O7jRboue

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am still looking at this as Erixon having even less class than Lindros did.

At least Lindros told the Nerds that he did not want to go there, don't draft me. After he was drafted, he said "I will not go there, trade me."

In 2 years, Erixon didn't appear to mention anything. "Upset" or not at the draft, he showed up to all the Flames' requirements, met with Flames' officials (scouts, conditioning coach I believe, etc) in Sweden.. in a few interviews, stated how he was looking forward to coming here.

At the last hour, he (or his agent + dad) that he can just turn around and say "Trade me to NYR ONLY or I will re-enter the draft."

Seriously.. At least Lindros - and at the time it was a stench of a move that has lasted to this day - gave the Nords time to assemble trade proposals, and did not select his ONLY team.

I was really looking forward to seeing Erixon this year. I was betting he would make it, and slide into a 4th position, and allow some room to be made in terms of salary because of it - if not at the beginning of the season, then towards the deadline.

You can not possibly rule out collusion here with NYR. There is no way that any draftee should select where he wants to play. If you think you have the right to select where you want to play, stay in Sweden. How many teams would fold if the entire draft class could hand pick the teams they go to? Colombus, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Florida, Carolina, etc., would never get better, and would eventually fold. Pittsburgh would never had Crosby, Malkin, Staal, etc., and won the cup. Washington would still be a terrible team.

This whole thing really stinks. It stinks more than Lindros and every other player that didn't want to sign with the team. This is a player that pulled the rug underneath the feet of a franchise, and flipped the bird to a century old organization's system of fairly distributing new players in order to facilitate a stronger league over-all.

The CBA need to address this. Why won't the next 20 draft picks do this? Why did Taylor Hall - a Calgary fan - proudly stand up and walk over to Tambo and play his heart out for the 'enemy'? Why did Iggy do the same here in Calgary? Because it is the right thing to do. It was the honorable thing to do. No draftee should dictate where he wants to get to play.

[VladtheImpaler]

My hatred of Glen Sather has grown exponentially. In the old days, one would leave a dead fish wrapped in a newspaper by his door. These being more modern times, I suggest we leave a dead kotalik at his Banff mansion to send a message...