[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Flaming Horse]

You can put what ever spin you want on this but this is a huge slap in the face. It was obvious he did not want to play here but this still makes the org look bad. Why did the flames wait so long to get something done. They said they flew a week ago to ny. This should have been done months ago. If they were worried about their demands they should have been talking to other clubs earlier. This could have been handled a lot better and again we dont get fair value back.

Someone should ask feaster why a lazy player was picked. I thought he wanted will and skill. Well they got one out of two.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Nowhere was it mentioned that Erixon ONLY wanted to play for NY. There is only idle speculation to that point.

He thinks that he is going to re-enter the draft and somehow make it down to the Rangers - otherwise he sits and waits for another 2 years?

Doubt that very much.

Well, Erixon could do whatever he wanted in this situation. Either get traded to where he wants to go to, or re-enter the draft which he was perfectly happy to do.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Nowhere was it mentioned that Erixon ONLY wanted to play for NY. There is only idle speculation to that point.

He thinks that he is going to re-enter the draft and somehow make it down to the Rangers - otherwise he sits and waits for another 2 years?

Doubt that very much.

Well, I can't say anything for sure, but if the Rangers were going to offer the Flames anything better than 53rd overall, it's either take the better offer, or get the 53rd overall...

I don't think that Erixon ever thought he wouldn't sign a contract in one way or another.

Edit: Beaten.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Feaster on the radio...

- Erixon felt the Flames don't give young players a chance
- Erixon concerned about the cap, and 4 high paid defenseman on the team
- all these concerns came late, basically Erixon eff'ed the Flames over. FU Tim.

Guess what Timmy... if you're the prime time player that you think you are, then teams will move heaven and earth to sign you and dump their other contracts.

What I see is an insecure little brat who thinks all is going to fall into place now that he's a Ranger.

Good luck son. You're gonna need it with that attitude.

[sureLoss]

It has been mentioned many times in this thread. ERIXON HOLDS ALL THE CARDS.

Even if Feaster negotiated with the Oilers to get the 1st overall pick in exchange for Erixon, the deal doesn't go through because Erixon could refuse to sign with the Oilers.

Any trade the Flames made involving Erixon would be conditional on him signing with the other team first. No team is going to give up an asset unless they know for sure Erixon would not fall back to the draft.

The fact that Sather called today gives me further cause to believe that Jay Grossman organized this and was giving Sather a cue to make a deal.

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage. This should be proof enough that we chose the wrong person as a GM.

From Jay's own mouth - he began negotiating YESTERDAY with New York Rangers, because they had been asking about Erixon. This process should have been started at least a week prior, so that every NHL team could have had a chance to get their hands on Erixon, and drive his value up even further.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. We didn't get close to that sort of value with him - which is what happens when you only negotiate with a select few GMs. I bet there are more than a few GMs who did not even realize Erixon was on the market.

Fly to NY to meet with his agent? You should have flown to Sweden.

You are a completely unprepared GM if you only started talking with other teams about this yesterday.

Re: concerns over the organization, cap, etc. Feaster should have gone out of his way to guarantee that Erixon would have been given a spot this year. Yes, some of that stuff is impossible to be structured into the contract, but the guy can play. He has shown more than enough at just about every other level to guarantee that he would have made the NHL right out of camp.

Re: Concerns over the agent. If you have past history and can't get along with a certain agent, this is the wrong industry to be in. Settle it. If not, get lost. I do not think that this organization should be hampered by someone's personal grudge with someone else. Try to build a relationship with Grossman, because it seems like there is a lot more under the surface than we are being led to believe.

Ultimately this is a massive failure on the part of the organization. We likely did not maximize return value on this player. We get 2 2nd round picks and a middling prospect in a weak draft.

That is NOT the return we should be aiming for with our poor history of top end player development.

This is an extremely poor start for Feaster as a GM. Too much about this whole situation just stinks.

[nik-]

There was definitely some behind the scenes tampering going on there, with zero chance that any of it could be proven. Oh well.

[Stud_McCool]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, Erixon could do whatever he wanted in this situation. Either get traded to where he wants to go to, or re-enter the draft which he was perfectly happy to do.

Except he can run the risk of being drafted by an even crappier team.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

He did say Sather has been asking about Erixon all year long, then with a few hours left till the deadline, Sather called him and said time is running out, what is going on. Hmm.........

And, unless Jay Grossman is somehow negotiating with Sather on the side (which I am sure is somehow illegal or is in violation of something), there is no way for Sather to know that Erixon only wants to play in NY.

If you're Jay Grossman, that certainly doesn't bode well for a 2nd contract with the Rangers either.

Sather shouldn't know that he was the only one making an offer to the Flames for Erixon - if he did, something is seriously compromised in the process.

[moon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Well, Erixon's camp is right. The Flames don't give young players much of a chance. No breaking news there.

Which young players have been held back that deserved a chance?

The problem hasn't been the team holding players back it is there haven't been enough guys who deserved to be up with the big club.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Read the thread...any thread for crying out loud. You are so far off base I can't even explain it.

I got through the first three paragraphs and gave up. Was the rest of his rant as mis-informed and ridiculously stupid as the first bit?

Worth a top-ten pick, lol. No team in the NHL is so stupid as to look at a player and go "Hmm, he's not signing. I wonder if something's up? Ahh screw it, I'll blow my very good draft pick to find out what the problem is. I'm not going to insist that a deal be conditional on him signing. Nope. Not at all."

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Well, Erixon's camp is right. The Flames don't give young players much of a chance. No breaking news there.

The Flames have so many scorers that they had to trade Brett Hull.

Oh, wait, you mean the past under a different management team doesn't matter?

I'm with others. This is a brat making excuses to get what he wanted.

[boogerz]

This is pretty depressing, but given the circumstance at least Feaster got something decent(value wise) in return


I wonder if Feaster could have been able to snag McDonagh, Grachev, or Del Zotto in return though. Erixon for Del Zotto would have been pretty good

[Oliwa]

Im not even mad ( :

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I got through the first three paragraphs and gave up. Was the rest of his rant as mis-informed and ridiculously stupid as the first bit?

Worth a top-ten pick, lol. No team in the NHL is so stupid as to look at a player and go "Hmm, he's not signing. I wonder if something's up? Ahh screw it, I'll blow my very good draft pick to find out what the problem is. I'm not going to insist that a deal be conditional on him signing. Nope. Not at all."

Of course it would be conditional on getting a deal done, but if the team knew that he'd sign, he is worth a lower end top 10 pick in this draft.

Nowhere, apart from idle speculation on this board does it say he was ONLY going to NY. Not sure how people are assuming that this is "fact", no more "misinformed" than my "rant".

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

You can put what ever spin you want on this but this is a huge slap in the face. It was obvious he did not want to play here but this still makes the org look bad. Why did the flames wait so long to get something done. They said they flew a week ago to ny. This should have been done months ago. If they were worried about their demands they should have been talking to other clubs earlier. This could have been handled a lot better and again we dont get fair value back.

Someone should ask feaster why a lazy player was picked. I thought he wanted will and skill. Well they got one out of two.

The short answer is they didn't. They were talking to his agent months ago, but they couldn't do anything concrete until the the WHC was over as they aren't allowed to talk to the player until then. They were talking to other clubs a week ago to see what they might get in a trade. Given they only had half a month to deal with the player, I'd say they did pretty good.

Feaster prefers skill over will if only one is present as will often develops as a player ages. Put him under Playfair and the will might just develop. Darryl would have got a guy with will and little skill. It's a lot more likely a player will get the will thing figured out at that age then the skill thing.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by moon

Which young players have been held back that deserved a chance?

The problem hasn't been the team holding players back it is there haven't been enough guys who deserved to be up with the big club.

Backlund would be the most obvious one, from where I stand.

These issues have been raised multiple times on CP, and now suddenly they're disregarded because Erixon's camp brought them up? Yeah, they were probably all excuses so he could go to NY, but that doesn't make the issues any less than they already were with this franchise.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Backlund would be the most obvious one, from where I stand.

You think Backlund deserved to start with the Flames during the 09-10 season?

I think he needed some time in the AHL and that helped him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Backlund would be the most obvious one, from where I stand.

Backlund played only half a season in the AHL...and a year and a half in the NHL.....since turning pro.

How is that holding him back?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

You think Backlund deserved to start with the Flames during the 09-10 season?

I think he needed some time in the AHL and that helped him.

I believe he deserved better team-mates earlier and more ice-time, and still does. Nothing to do with his time in the AHL.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Of course it would be conditional on getting a deal done, but if the team knew that he'd sign, he is worth a lower end top 10 pick in this draft.

Nowhere, apart from idle speculation on this board does it say he was ONLY going to NY. Not sure how people are assuming that this is "fact", no more "misinformed" than my "rant".

That's true, but the agency has a great relationship with NY, and NY probably offered the best deal that was likely to get done.

If you trade him to a team that doesn't have a great relationship with the agency, the deal might not be done on time (or at all) and then it's not worth it. It's comes down to balance of risk vs reward, and NY may have had the best offer and the lowest risk making them a no brainier.