[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[CaramonLS]

Sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage. This should be proof enough that we chose the wrong person as a GM.

From Jay's own mouth - he began negotiating YESTERDAY with New York Rangers, because they had been asking about Erixon. This process should have been started at least a week prior, so that every NHL team could have had a chance to get their hands on Erixon, and drive his value up even further.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. We didn't get close to that sort of value with him - which is what happens when you only negotiate with a select few GMs. I bet there are more than a few GMs who did not even realize Erixon was on the market.

Fly to NY to meet with his agent? You should have flown to Sweden.

You are a completely unprepared GM if you only started talking with other teams about this yesterday.

Re: concerns over the organization, cap, etc. Feaster should have gone out of his way to guarantee that Erixon would have been given a spot this year. Yes, some of that stuff is impossible to be structured into the contract, but the guy can play. He has shown more than enough at just about every other level to guarantee that he would have made the NHL right out of camp.

Re: Concerns over the agent. If you have past history and can't get along with a certain agent, this is the wrong industry to be in. Settle it. If not, get lost. I do not think that this organization should be hampered by someone's personal grudge with someone else. Try to build a relationship with Grossman, because it seems like there is a lot more under the surface than we are being led to believe.

Ultimately this is a massive failure on the part of the organization. We likely did not maximize return value on this player. We get 2 2nd round picks and a middling prospect in a weak draft.

That is NOT the return we should be aiming for with our poor history of top end player development.

This is an extremely poor start for Feaster as a GM. Too much about this whole situation just stinks.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by kirant

Not really. I read that Sather knows that Erixon isn't signed and was willing to give it one last shot since Feaster may be all out of options. It doesn't sound any different than Burke calling up Sutter after the 9 game losing streak and seeing if he can pluck Phaneuf for cheap.

Oh ok. It's just a fluke that he goes to the team that he wanted to go to?

"Rangers had been on us a very long time about Tim.....Sather called again yesterday".

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's lame, and I still think it's garbage that he did it, but looking at it from Erixon's perspective, he has a point. This organization hasn't exactly been a great place for the youth. Coupled with them bringing in two more D-Men last year rather than call up someone, it looks terrible.

If there hadn't been a change in GM where the new GM specifically said he was going to fix that aspect of the Flames culture and even took steps toward that end during last season then Erixon would totally have had a point.

As things stood yesterday there was a very good chance Erixon could have been in the Flames top 6 this fall.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's lame, and I still think it's garbage that he did it, but looking at it from Erixon's perspective, he has a point. This organization hasn't exactly been a great place for the youth. Coupled with them bringing in two more D-Men last year rather than call up someone, it looks terrible.

He definately has a point, everything thats been said has been talked about it a lot here the past 4 years.

What Erixon and his agent tried to pull here is a BS negotiating tactic though. I lose all respect for that. If he was concerned, he should have said it from the start. The Erixon camp did not negotiate in good faith, thats the real piss off.

[Shazam]

CBAs aren't going to help if a party is going to negotiate in bad faith.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage. This should be proof enough that we chose the wrong person as a GM.

From Jay's own mouth - he began negotiating YESTERDAY with New York Rangers, because they had been asking about Erixon. This process should have been started at least a week prior, so that every NHL team could have had a chance to get their hands on Erixon, and drive his value up even further.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. We didn't get close to that sort of value with him - which is what happens when you only negotiate with a select few GMs. I bet there are more than a few GMs who did not even realize Erixon was on the market.

Fly to NY to meet with his agent? You should have flown to Sweden.

You are a completely unprepared GM if you only started talking with other teams about this yesterday.

Re: concerns over the organization, cap, etc. Feaster should have gone out of his way to guarantee that Erixon would have been given a spot this year. Yes, some of that stuff is impossible to be structured into the contract, but the guy can play. He has shown more than enough at just about every other level to guarantee that he would have made the NHL right out of camp.

Re: Concerns over the agent. If you have past history and can't get along with a certain agent, this is the wrong industry to be in. Settle it. If not, get lost. I do not think that this organization should be hampered by someone's personal grudge with someone else. Try to build a relationship with Grossman, because it seems like there is a lot more under the surface than we are being led to believe.

Ultimately this is a massive failure on the part of the organization. We likely did not maximize return value on this player. We get 2 2nd round picks and a middling prospect in a weak draft.

That is NOT the return we should be aiming for with our poor history of top end player development.

This is an extremely poor start for Feaster as a GM. Too much about this whole situation just stinks.

Sounds to me like Erixon wanted to go to only one team, and he held all the cards.

Literally the Flames hands were tied. Either the Flames could trade him to the NYR for far less than he is worth, or Erixon can be a poopface and refuse to sign a deal, and the Flames are compensated with even less.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Burn in hell Timmy. Hope Regehr welcomes you in the turnel of death your first game in Calgary

[Ozy_Flame]

I hope there's some circle of dignity among GM's that doesn't let Erixon's camp get away with this. I hope he knows that he's not exactly welcome back to Calgary any time soon, especially not as a member of another team. He burned his bridges with a flamethrower.

[ComixZone]

Jay was definitely talking about Anton Babchuk in reference to an issue earlier in the season.

http://www.puckagency.com/our-clients/

Babchuk can GTFO too.

[Iggyinla]

I hate when players do this. Why doesn't he like Calgary? this sucks!



[EDIT] So i guess its not all his fault, our stupid signings and bad cap management forced us to trade our best prospect.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage. This should be proof enough that we chose the wrong person as a GM.

From Jay's own mouth - he began negotiating YESTERDAY with New York Rangers, because they had been asking about Erixon. This process should have been started at least a week prior, so that every NHL team could have had a chance to get their hands on Erixon, and drive his value up even further.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick in the draft this year. We didn't get close to that sort of value with him - which is what happens when you only negotiate with a select few GMs. I bet there are more than a few GMs who did not even realize Erixon was on the market.

Fly to NY to meet with his agent? You should have flown to Sweden.

You are a completely unprepared GM if you only started talking with other teams about this yesterday.

Re: concerns over the organization, cap, etc. Feaster should have gone out of his way to guarantee that Erixon would have been given a spot this year. Yes, some of that stuff is impossible to be structured into the contract, but the guy can play. He has shown more than enough at just about every other level to guarantee that he would have made the NHL right out of camp.

Re: Concerns over the agent. If you have past history and can't get along with a certain agent, this is the wrong industry to be in. Settle it. If not, get lost. I do not think that this organization should be hampered by someone's personal grudge with someone else. Try to build a relationship with Grossman, because it seems like there is a lot more under the surface than we are being led to believe.

Ultimately this is a massive failure on the part of the organization. We likely did not maximize return value on this player. We get 2 2nd round picks and a middling prospect in a weak draft.

That is NOT the return we should be aiming for with our poor history of top end player development.

This is an extremely poor start for Feaster as a GM. Too much about this whole situation just stinks.

Read the thread...any thread for crying out loud. You are so far off base I can't even explain it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sounds to me like Erixon wanted to go to only one team, and he held all the cards.

Literally the Flames hands were tied. Either the Flames could trade him to the NYR for far less than he is worth, or Erixon can be a poopface and refuse to sign a deal, and the Flames are compensated with even less.

Sounded like he was ready to go back into the draft if not traded to NY. The crap part is that NY would probably picked him at 15. Of course with our backs to the wall, NY did not have to offer their 15th, they held the cards.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Which is what happens when you only negotiate with a select few GMs. I bet there are more than a few GMs who did not even realize Erixon was on the market.

Fly to NY to meet with his agent? You should have flown to Sweden.

Which is a total mute point, because all the information coming out of this situation was a tactic to get Erixon to solely play for the Rangers.

Don't really think any GM would have listened to an offer considering they knew the kid wasn't going to sign a contract and enter back into the draft.

[HPLovecraft]

Well, Erixon's camp is right. The Flames don't give young players much of a chance. No breaking news there.

[kyuss275]

Well on the bright side i did not have to think about the nucks chances of winning the cup for the last 8 hours.

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Did we sign Spencer Bennett?

wow, Feaster didn't even offer Bennett a deal

Originally Posted by Joborule

To be fair history shows this to be the case, but with a new GM at the helm this could (and by god has to) change. Besides team isn't making playoffs so only have old vets on team is pretty dumb.

this has been debunked in the past, its actually surprising how many players got chances in the first 2 years of their ELC

but to sum it up since Darryl Sutter became GM the following players saw NHL time in the 1st 2 years of their ELC (excluding the lockout season)...

Matthew Lombardi - 2nd season, full season
Chuck Kobasew - 2nd season, full season
Brennan Evans - 1st season, 2 playoff games
Dion Phaneuf - 1st season, full season
Mark Giordano - 2nd season, 7 games (91% of season in year 3)
Eric Nystrom - 1st season, 2 games (hurt 2nd season, 71% of season in year 3)
Carsen Germyn - 2nd year, 2 games
Richie Regehr - 1st year, 14 games (6 games in 2nd season, then he got hurt)
David Moss - 2nd year, 59% of season
Dustin Boyd - 1st season, 13 games (73% of season in year 2)
Tomi Maki - 2nd season, 1 game
Brandon Prust - 2nd season, 10 games
Matt Keetley - 1st season, 1 game
Tim Ramholt - 2nd season, 1 game
Matt Pelech - 2nd season, 5 games
Brett Sutter - 2nd season, 4 games
John Negrin - last jr season, 3 games
Mikael Backlund - last jr season, 1 game (30% of season in first full year, full season in second year)
Greg Nemisz - 1st season, 6 games
Lance Bouma - 1st season, 16 games
TJ Brodie, 1st season, 3 games

the problem is not the Flames giving young players chances... the problem was the Flames had no young players with enough talent to make it when given a chance

[JJsChaos]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Actually, if you were at a draft and traded down and got two 2nds and a good prospect like Horak it would be a very good trade. The problem is Erixon played above where he was drafted two years ago.

You can't say that until he's proved himself in NHL. All he's done is shown some promise.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sounds to me like Erixon wanted to go to only one team, and he held all the cards.

Literally the Flames hands were tied. Either the Flames could trade him to the NYR for far less than he is worth, or Erixon can be a poopface and refuse to sign a deal, and the Flames are compensated with even less.

Nowhere was it mentioned that Erixon ONLY wanted to play for NY. There is only idle speculation to that point.

He thinks that he is going to re-enter the draft and somehow make it down to the Rangers - otherwise he sits and waits for another 2 years?

Doubt that very much.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Nowhere was it mentioned that Erixon ONLY wanted to play for NY. There is only idle speculation to that point.

He thinks that he is going to re-enter the draft and somehow make it down to the Rangers - otherwise he sits and waits for another 2 years?

Doubt that very much.

He did say Sather has been asking about Erixon all year long, then with a few hours left till the deadline, Sather called him and said time is running out, what is going on. Hmm.........

[googol]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Nowhere was it mentioned that Erixon ONLY wanted to play for NY. There is only idle speculation to that point.

He thinks that he is going to re-enter the draft and somehow make it down to the Rangers - otherwise he sits and waits for another 2 years?

Doubt that very much.

He knew that the flames would trade him to NY. There was little risk of being back into the draft.