[Trade] Flames acquire Roman Horak and 2x 2011 2nd rd picks for Tim Erixon and 5th rd pick

[Russic]

I'm sure if he's pulling this garbage before he's even in the league he won't be a massive diva at all. Enjoy him, Rangers.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

I would rather they give Brodie a chance then re-sign Pardy

PLEASE!!!! no more Pardy time in Calgary. I would rather have Staios at $3mil/year than Pardy.

[dustygoon]

So......

Sather has been interested in Erixon for some time and asked about him in the past.

Erixon family wants to be part of Rangers org (whatever that means).

Agent doesn't show his cards until 11th hour thereby driving down the return on the trade favouring the Rangers.

And finally.....

Sather with an inbound call just at the 11th hour wondering if Erixon is available yet?

Does that not point to tampering?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Jim Playfair is exactly the kind of pro coach Roman Horak needs right now.

Sooooo true. I read his profile and saw how he was a lazy player. Then I thought how it would be good for him to play for Jimmy with the Heat. I have hope for this kid. He has some good offensive skills, and is a centreman. Something the Flames need. I hope Playfair can get this kid to buy into the Flames system.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Tanguay and Karlsson being worked on now. Soon to start neg with Carson and Pardy. Babchuk seems to be lower on the list, talking about tag room, that will happen at the end of the month.

Babchuk is done here I think.

Feaster said that a defenseman on our team, who is represented by the same agency as Erixon, had issues last season about not being played enough due to the Flames having to play their 4 big money defensemen and he felt he was being held back due to this.

IIRC Babchuk is the only other defenseman on our roster that is represented by the same agency as Erixon.

Personally I feel that if both Erixon and Babchuk are going to have that attitude they can get the hell out of town.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

PLEASE!!!! no more Pardy time in Calgary. I would rather have Staios at $3mil/year than Pardy.

Good god no!!!!!!

[Esoteric]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

PLEASE!!!! no more Pardy time in Calgary. I would rather have Staios at $3mil/year than Pardy.

I actually enjoyed end of year Staios. If he could play like that for a full season, I'd take him for around $1M.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So......

Sather has been interested in Erixon for some time and asked about him in the past.

Erixon family wants to be part of Rangers org (whatever that means).

Agent doesn't show his cards until 11th hour thereby driving down the return on the trade favouring the Rangers.

And finally.....

Sather with an inbound call just at the 11th hour wondering if Erixon is available yet?

Does that not point to tampering?

Not really. I read that Sather knows that Erixon isn't signed and was willing to give it one last shot since Feaster may be all out of options. It doesn't sound any different than Burke calling up Sutter after the 9 game losing streak and seeing if he can pluck Phaneuf for cheap.

[ynwa03]

You people need to relax. Calling him names and telling him to rot in hell is a bit over board. Things happen in life and you need to deal with it. This is as minor as it gets in terms of life altering events for the people in here.

If the organization was run by the people in here next season probably would not even start because of all the whining.

Good for Erixon. He got what he wanted. He never played a game for Calgary so there's really no loyalty involved. You move on and make do with what you get in return.

People saying the organization is going to tank and no one wants to play here are down right dumb and need a wake up call.

And blaming Sutter? Oh boy. I'm not even going to go there.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

they fit fairly different roles on the back-end, I don't see it as being either or.

Regehr - Bouwmeester
Giordano - Sarich
Pardy - Brodie
Carson

With the people Feaster is talking about re-signing, he's gotta be thinking that he'll be making trades at the draft otherwise he does seem on course to ice pretty much the exact same roster as last season (MISTAKE!).

It'll be an interesting 23 days leading up to the draft.

I was pretty much saying no to PARDY!!! and it does seem Feaster is interested in staying the course, and pretty much icing the same roster as last year. And that would be a big mistake, especially if he's banking of team repeating success of last year's second half

[Ashasx]

So Erixon and his agent brought up concerns about the Flames' history which he obviously couldn't have addressed in the past, only having been here for a short time?

Why did they waste his time? If the kid just wanted a trade, say it.

[nik-]

It's lame, and I still think it's garbage that he did it, but looking at it from Erixon's perspective, he has a point. This organization hasn't exactly been a great place for the youth. Coupled with them bringing in two more D-Men last year rather than call up someone, it looks terrible.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Babchuk is done here I think.

Feaster said that a defenseman on our team, who is represented by the same agency as Erixon, had issues last season about not being played enough due to the Flames having to play their 4 big money defensemen and he felt he was being held back due to this.

IIRC Babchuk is the only other defenseman on our roster that is represented by the same agency as Erixon.

Personally I feel that if both Erixon and Babchuk are going to have that attitude they can get the hell out of town.

Did not hear that because the wife was yapping in my ear. Yeah i would say that is The Anton. At the end year interviews he did not seem to care if he came back or not. I will say it is a shame that we have to play Bouw. all those minuttes mainly because of his contract. He does not deserve any PP time and is not very good on the PK.

[Vinny01]

Too bad Erixon did not give us notice last year he wanted out. Sutter said he could have moved him for a 1st last year. Now we get 2 second rounders in what is being called a bad draft. I can't believe Erixon pulled this BS on us. Just brutal.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Esoteric

I actually enjoyed end of year Staios. If he could play like that for a full season, I'd take him for around $1M.

Thats a big IF and i doubt he can do it over a full season, say no to both Staios and Pardy

[Itse]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

A few thoughts come to mind (and yes I am pulling these numbers out of thin air):

- We just moved a 80% chance of a solid NHLer for 2 x 20% chances... Math calls this a fail.

There are actually numbers for this available in the internet.

http://www.hockeydrunk.com/hockey/od...ing-a-nhl-game

Odds of a pick playing over 100 games:
1st round: 65%
2nd round: 34%
5th round: 14% (this is what we gave up, and Horak was a 5th rounder)

Out of two first rounders, the chance that at least one of them makes it over that line is ~56%, which is obviously worse than what you get for a 1st rounder, but not that much.

However, there is also a decent ~12% chance that both our picks make the grade, which you don't get with a singe pick. So mathematically, it's not that bad.

(Of course Erixon and Horak both propably have improved their odds from the day they were drafted.)

(Although IMO 100 games isn't much a line, it's a little over one full season. 200+ and I think we're talking decent picks.)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

While i do not think Erixon was right with his comments about cap situation and rookies not getting much of a chance to play, i will say that the fact that could be used against us is D. Sutters fault.

It doesn't matter the situation the Flames organization was in, Erixon wanted to play in N.Y. and N.Y. only and was going to make up any excuse not to sign.

It started with not wanting to play in the AHL (which he was on the record of saying he would do), then moved into cap issues, then that we didn't give enough chances to young players, and even said its because we have too many high paid dmen locked up.

What type of prima donna uses the excuse that the Flames have 4 defenseman locked up to big contracts and that will hamper his role on the team.

He should have been happy that there were talented defenseman that he could have been partnered with on the back end. A true hockey player would have relished that opportunity to compete for ice time and been thrilled to learn from Bouw, Reggie, and Giordano.

Good riddance that Tim Erixon is gone. The Flames may have lost a good prospect today, who may end up being a great defenseman, but the character of our organization is a lot better today then it would have been with that Prima Donna around.

Sutter and Feaster cannot be blamed for this debacle, the only people at fault are Tim Erixon, his family, and his rat of an agent Jay Grossman.

[Jake]

Well that blows.

Demanding a trade as a prospect... what a little bitch.

[Ashasx]

http://www.fan960.com/media.jsp?cont...01_182240_4944

If any missed it.

[transplant99]

Yeah after hearing this stuff....i dont blame the player himself much. Sounds like his father had his ear from the get go and was always going to attempt to get to NY or nothing...and then the agent started the spinning process to come up with a multitude of reasons for not signing.

So even if the kid re-enters the draft, unless its the Rangers picking him, he was going to do this same song and dance for the next 2 years.

Agents and parents are as poisonous as anyone else in decisions like these, especially when dealing with a guy that just got out of his teens and likely has been pretty much sheltered and spoiled his whole hockey life.

Good job by Feaster to get what he got when all is said and done.