[Rumour] Flames want another top 5 pick. UPD: Flames aren't trading Hamilton

[AC]

I don't see how moving Hamilton makes sense at all.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames traded Hamilton for the 4th pick it is definitely selling high. No way would a team trade the 4th pick for the 15th, 45th, and 52nd picks. The problem is the Flames have some great blueline depth but those players are 2-3 years away.

That's not about how asset management works. By that logic Yakupov is still worth a 1st overall pick.

The Hamilton deal was a steal when it happened. After a rough start he put together his most productive year and is still improving from where he left off in Boston. Also signed to a reasonable deal that any NHL team would of been happy with.

Hamilton's value is much greater than what it was when Treliving fleeced Sweeney.

G.Reinhart isn't worth close to what he paid and the Oilers wouldn't be expecting that much back if he was to be traded (well maybe they would because they are the Oilers). Stock rises and drops. It doesn't stay the same even after only a year.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Robbob

The issue I have is by switching Hamilton for a dman at six is you are giving up a few years of development time before that dman at six is at the level Hamilton is at. Is that worth the price to get to 4?

I'm with you, I think the counter argument though is, some might argue the Flames have 3 number 1 D-men.

Brodie will be our new number 1 (if he's not already), Gio's is fantastic as a number two, do you really need another potential #1, or in a cap world, are you better to go out and try and replace Hamilton with something else and fill a preceived void up front?

For the record, I'm not there myself, based on the returns floating around I'd love to keep Hamilton, but the above is the logic behind entertaining a trade with him.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I'm with you, I think the counter argument though is, some might argue the Flames have 3 number 1 D-men.

Brodie will be our new number 1 (if he's not already), Gio's is fantastic as a number two, do you really need another potential #1, or in a cap world, are you better to go out and try and replace Hamilton with something else and fill a preceived void up front?

For the record, I'm not there myself, based on the returns floating around I'd love to keep Hamilton, but the above is the logic behind entertaining a trade with him.

If the logic is we can't have 3 number one defencemen then I think you have to trade Giordano. He's got a bigger contract, is older and will likely be declining just when Hamilton is hitting his prime. For the record I don't want to trade either of Gio or Hamilton.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by ah123

Hamilton to the Oilers make me very nervous, even if we walk away from the draft with Joulevi and Tkachuk

wouldn't it be toronto who's interested in getting joulevi and tkachuk? uniting them with marner.
can't wait for sureloss to start the 'flames interested in auston mathews' thread

[jg13]

Lol a proposal by an Oil fan on HF.

"I could see Chiareli doing a deal around Hamilton and 4th. Maybe Hamilton + Jankowski + 2nd(s) for 4th? HF would implode but it could solve issues for both teams"

[ClubFlames]

If the plan is to trade Hamilton for 4OV to draft Tkachuk and Juolevi and then acquire Bishop, what are we giving up to acquire Bishop? This years 35th overall? Next year's first rounder? Why doesn't BT do that without trading Hamilton? Doesn't make sense. Still feel like BT is trolling.

[dakeyras]

I doubt Hamilton gets moved. For all of the reasons everyone has already contributed.

However, if Hamilton were to be traded, I could see it being part 1 of a 2 part trade.

1. Calgary trades Hamilton for 4th overall.

2. Calgary picks with both #4/#6

3. Calgary trades a couple of forward prospects and maybe a 2nd rounder to Anaheim, a team with an internal budget, for Fowler.

Of course, there's been talk that Fowler might go to Buffalo and the #8 pick will be included in the return, Anaheim's price might be out of range. And I can't really see Anaheim sending Fowler to a division rival.

[Inglewood Jack]

every comment imported from HF onto this board lowers my IQ by a couple of points. sometimes I wish these were all just quarantined into their own little "HF is no good" thread or something.

[MisterJoji]

Hamilton isn't going anywhere. Treliving did not come down with a severe case of brain damage in the last 24 hours. Him and Brodie are the 1/2 pairing of the foreseeable future.

[Stay Golden]

Too many in the media and some GM'S get swept up with "oh new shiny car scenario" when it comes to low draft picks and the key pieces they have in place. I don't believe Treliving when it comes to what the Flames behind closed doors establish as their core players is like that.
Treliving is not going to add by subtracting a key player. Not only that Treliving is not going to strengthen his competition by gifting Hamilton or Gio to them. Wideman yes.

[djsFlames]

There are some real "dim bulbs" over there. That's for sure.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I wonder if us shopping Hamilton could be in anticipation of CBJ not taking Puljujarvi. Maybe the only way we move Hamilton is if it is to take the Finn at 4 if he drops down a spot.

Who could make him drop? Logan Brown. I can see it for sure - if you are picking for position and need a C but dont believe Puljujarvi could play there in the NHL - you may just swing for the fences with Logan Brown and maybe that leaves Puljujarvi - a dream fit for the Flames...to Edmonton; in which case we would throw Hamilton at them to have him?

Thats the only scenario I can think of that involves the Flames sending Hamilton to Edmonton.

[gpflamesfan]

If your team finishes the season 25th overall everyone better be available if there is a potential trade that will make your team better. I'm not advocating we trade Hamilton but if the return is outrageous you have to do it.

[Northendzone]

put me in the camp of surprised if the flames move dougie - seems like he currently has a cap friendly deal given his role on the team and his evolution over the past season

while I would not be excited to see the flames trade gio, it could solve issues of him potentially seeming like he is overpaid in a few years.

[nik-]

ehh ... I wouldn't say he has a "cap friendly" deal. His deal is ok and should get better value wise.

[getbak]

Step 1: Let Edmonton think that Hamilton might be available for 4th overall
Step 2: Edmonton relaxes their pursuit of Subban because Hamilton fits under their cap better and Calgary is just asking for the pick and no additional players
Step 3: After Montreal pulls Subban off the table, tell the Oilers that Hamilton isn't available, but Wideman is
Step 4: Profit!

[tvp2003]

Dougie to Columbus for third overall? Perhaps.

Dougie to Edmonton/Chiarelli? That should be rejected on principle alone.

[skudr248]

No trades with Edmonton please, don't need their stink

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by getbak

Step 1: Let Edmonton think that Hamilton might be available for 4th overall
Step 2: Edmonton relaxes their pursuit of Subban because Hamilton fits under their cap better and Calgary is just asking for the pick and no additional players
Step 3: After Montreal pulls Subban off the table, tell the Oilers that Hamilton isn't available, but Wideman is
Step 4: Profit!

Agree with steps 1 to 3. Don't think step 4 will happen -- we're talking about Chiarelli here, not Benning