Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s just politically foolish to claim you are axing the Carbon tax by replacing it with a far broader carbon tax.

To be fair, Carney has only committed to "Axe the Consumer Carbon Tax" as he said.

When you you are trying to court the Liberal eco-radical vote by getting Guilbeault's favour, who you got supporting you, it's not because you are planning to remove the carbon tax. It's a messaging issue and the messaging seems to have focused on the consumer part.

The carbon tax is not going away with new Liberal leadership and if you read between the lines he has never claimed to. It will just be better embedded with the removal of the visible consumer part.

[chemgear]

The Carbon Tax will be gone. The Carboon Tax will replace it.

[curves2000]

Carney and Pierre both have similar issues with their version of axing the tax. Mark Carney's plan may be a little more well thought out than the current model in a lot of ways but it still has a lot of risks in that people and businesses across the board could use it to continue to raise prices and pass on costs.

Pierre's Axe the tax mantra needs to be followed up with strong consumer protections and an actual reduction on various prices where the tax is charged. People need to see reductions at the grocery store, the fuel pump, home heating and more. Like I say to a lot of my conservative friends with regards to this, does it really matter if it's Trudeau and the Liberals screwing you over or big business? Answer is no.

Both plans have their risks, their costs now and in the future and a lot more. This isn't easy especially in today's environment as a lot of things environmental related get emotional, even from people who are very environmentally friendly and support such policies.

[iggy_oi]

I think price controls are unlikely to be a part of Pierre’s axe the tax platform.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Which shows the partisan nature of it doesn’t it? As someone currently without party (for nearly 25 years now) I see it for what it is. A tool used by the government in one last gasp. Harper did it, the liberals did it.

So I prefer to look at the current scenario, aside from the gong show that is question period what exactly is served by recalling parliament at this time? Trudeau is going to resign, the liberals need a new leader, what is to be accomplished by returning? Government still functions, as seen on the weekend, so what do you want done?

I prefer the scenario where the function of government is respected, and the Liberals don't play stupid games to roll out the red carpet for Carney, which all of this really is.

An unelected elitist basically getting groomed into a position.

But hey, boot lickers are boot lickers.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://markcarney.ca/media/2025/01/...mer-carbon-tax


Mark Carneys plan for Climate action.

Promote fair competition and improve environmental outcomes by developing a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism.
- This is his introduced carbon tariff. A plan to make any goods coming into the country that do not come from a ( Climate action) country EG. all of them. to be subject to a Carbon Tariff.

Have big polluters pay consumers to lower their carbon footprint by developing and integrating a new consumer carbon credit market with the industrial pricing system.By linking the consumer carbon market, we will improve market efficiency and maintain fiscal neutrality, while the government will ensure price certainty for consumers that supports investment.
- I bet they will love just paying the carbon tax for everyone. No way that makes it down to the consumer level right?

Improve subsidies for heat pumps to make home heating more affordable by strengthening the current oil-to-heat pump affordability program, allowing low- and middle-income households to save more on their home energy bills.

Introduce new consumer incentives to lower costs for families investing in our clean future, such as through home retrofits. We will enhance and recapitalize the Greener Homes Grant and improve the efficiency of the application process. These measures will be targeted to lower income households.
- If you have ever tried to use these programs, you will know he means spend 50k and we will maybe try and give you 1500 back (eg windows) Targeted to lower income households, well, hope you own your home or that rent is going up because its been upgraded.

Phase out the use of fossil fuels in federal government buildings by 2030 to reduce government energy bills.
Implement a taxonomy for every priority sector by fall 2026. As a key early priority, we will kickstart the development of clear, science-based criteria to identify those economic activities that are in “transition.” These guidelines will apply to activities in the electricity, transportation, buildings, agriculture and forestry, manufacturing, and extractives sectors
- Someone will need to explain what the goal is here for me. Whats the goal here? How does it apply to climate policy?

Mandate broad coverage of climate risk disclosure for companies across Canada. This will increase transparency for investors to better assess climate risks and opportunities and help align capital towards a sustainable economy. We will prioritize working with provincial, territorial, and international partners and ensure disclosure requirements align with international best practice.
This sounds like its play by our rules or else to me... To bad for any industries they dont agree with.

He missed a few parts.

Continue buying billions of dollars worth of oil from countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia and Nigeria while working to prevent Canadian oil from getting to market, including Canadians markets, and all the while virtue signalling to Canadians that he cares about the environment.

Guy is a turd being wrapped up in a bow.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Azure

He missed a few parts.

Continue buying billions of dollars worth of oil from countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia and Nigeria while working to prevent Canadian oil from getting to market, including Canadians markets, and all the while virtue signalling to Canadians that he cares about the environment.

Guy is a turd being wrapped up in a bow.

No you see this is where this plan actually addresses that problem. There would be a Carbon import tarrif on goods coming from non-tax regimes. It’s like you didn’t even think about what this does.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Drak

I hope we're amping up our military defense.

We've had years of consecutive governments, both CPC & Liberal who have done nothing about this issue.

Smart money is this continues regardless of who is elected.

Pretty clear there are some serious turds in charge of this problem, and no amount of government promises is going to fix the problem. Everything from procurement to recruiting is broken.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

No you see this is where this plan actually addresses that problem. There would be a Carbon import tarrif on goods coming from non-tax regimes. It’s like you didn’t even think about what this does.

We have sanctions on Russia and we still buy their oil & gas to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Spare me the stupidity on how government legislation is going to prevent this from happening.

The only thing Carney is going to do is continue killing Canadian energy, and all the Liberal boot lickers are going to praise him for doing do. His election 'promises' mean nothing. The guy is so stupid he doesn't understand where steel gets used, and you think he is capable of fixing anything? Right. Lap it up.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is a great plan. It will destroy him in the polls.

His plan is literally to put a Carbon Tarrif on US and Chinese goods. It’s political suicide right now. Even if that is solely rebated and protects domestic manufacturing and energy production, and is what Europe is doing it’s going to play badly.

Now instead of a tax on everything it literally is a tax on everything. World wide this is the solution to let the market solve climate change. If the US did it too it would effectively force China to care too.

This was the fear post steel comments. Economically smart politically immature.

He's appealing to anti-US sentiment right now.

We all know he'd never implement it because its a dumb plan to begin with.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Drak

I hope we're amping up our military defense.

This is Canada..........

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

We have sanctions on Russia and we still buy their oil & gas to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Spare me the stupidity on how government legislation is going to prevent this from happening.

The only thing Carney is going to do is continue killing Canadian energy, and all the Liberal boot lickers are going to praise him for doing do. His election 'promises' mean nothing. The guy is so stupid he doesn't understand where steel gets used, and you think he is capable of fixing anything? Right. Lap it up.

On the Russian crude front, this is underselling the mechanic by which it’s finding its way here. But it provides a good reminder to pre-emptively review and address loopholes that could be exploited by bad actors, which is the case here. Saying Canada simple buys their oil & gas despite the sanctions is pretty ignorant.

But that makes sense given your continued insistence that Carney is stupid. I don’t see a lot of substance in your disagreements with his policy. You just seem to want to talk about poop a lot and repeatedly call him stupid. I don’t know if you’re cosplaying as a five year old with a tummy ache on purpose, but that kind of stuff makes everything you have to say look really silly.

It’s genuinely hard to tell if you purposely spread misinformation or if you just don’t understand what you’re talking about.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Azure

I prefer the scenario where the function of government is respected, and the Liberals don't play stupid games to roll out the red carpet for Carney, which all of this really is.

An unelected elitist basically getting groomed into a position.

Carney has announced he’s running for the leadership of the party. How does campaigning = “being groomed”?

It’s not uncommon in Canadian politics for candidates who don’t have seats to run for party leaderships. Jason Kenney didn’t have a seat in the Alberta legislature when he ran for and won the leadership of the Alberta PC party. Like Carney, when he announced his candidacy for the leadership he immediately became the front-runner and many PC MLAs flocked to his banner. Same with Naheed Nenshi and the provincial NDP. What’s happening with Carney and the federal Liberals is no different.

Originally Posted by Azure

The only thing Carney is going to do is continue killing Canadian energy...

Canada is producing and exporting record volumes of oil.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Azure

I prefer the scenario where the function of government is respected, and the Liberals don't play stupid games to roll out the red carpet for Carney, which all of this really is.

An unelected elitist basically getting groomed into a position.

But hey, boot lickers are boot lickers.

What's your secret to getting up angry and PO'd every day?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Carney has announced he’s running for the leadership of the party. How does campaigning = “being groomed”?

It’s not uncommon in Canadian politics for candidates who don’t have seats to run for party leaderships. Jason Kenney didn’t have a seat in the Alberta legislature when he ran for and won the leadership of the Alberta PC party. Like Carney, when he announced his candidacy for the leadership he immediately became the front-runner and many PC MLAs flocked to his banner. Same with Naheed Nenshi and the provincial NDP. What’s happening with Carney and the federal Liberals is no different.



Canada is producing and exporting record volumes of oil.

How many of the other candidates are in "Constant Contact" with the prime minister and the MPS on the Trump Tariff file? How many have received briefings as he states he is getting? But he is a OUTSIDER and not a politician or elected official. Common, call a spade a spade, he is being groomed to be the PM.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

How many of the other candidates are in "Constant Contact" with the prime minister and the MPS on the Trump Tariff file? How many have received briefings as he states he is getting? But he is a OUTSIDER and not a politician or elected official. Common, call a spade a spade, he is being groomed to be the PM.

Tell us how many

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Tell us how many

According to the other Liberal leader candidates. Its only him.
https://x.com/DhallaRuby/status/1886203889818493276

[Cowboy89]

Carney's platform is essentially Gerry Butts's 4.0 platform.

Carbon tariffing imports and imposing severe costs on domestic producers concurrently while 90% of the world is not imposing those constraints and costs on their businesses is a recipe for accelerated decline in Canadian living standards. This would be a continuation of what we've seen the last decade. This only works if most of the productive world also participates.

If you like living in dog crate condos, don't have any aspirations of having a family, don't care about having a good job at a company that's globally competitive, and want to see a ceiling on wages due to millions of 'temporary residents/ students' pouring into the country year after year to manipulate GDP statistics to mask how uncompetitive Canada; then Mark Carney might be right for you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

According to the other Liberal leader candidates. Its only him.
https://x.com/DhallaRuby/status/1886203889818493276

That tweet doesn’t say that. Can you answer the question?

[shotinthebacklund]

Carney's Platform will kill Canadian manufacturing and business. How are we to be competitive in manufacturing markets at all? We have some of the highest labour rates, Tax rates, Property tax, Carbon tax. ETC... Zero chance we can compete on a global stage. The amount of business discussing leaving Canada is staggering. Which, is exactly what Trump is trying to do.