Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Evangelicals Vote.

So do Nazis, Klan members, and all other sorts of awful people advocating for awful things, should they be catered to just because of votes?

[CaptainCrunch]

Deputy leader of the Green Party steps down. I mean we all know this is Liz May's vehicle, and nobody else will ever be allowed to drive it.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/gree...sons-1.6956513


https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/gree...sons-1.6956513

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So do Nazis, Klan members, and all other sorts of awful people advocating for awful things, should they be catered to just because of votes?

Ya Evangelicals Suck. It sucks that they vote.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Ya Evangelicals Suck. It sucks that they vote.

And lets be clear, they are the PROBLEM.

Not the morons who voted in Trudeau and ran this country further into the ground.

Always the devil on the other side.

Must be election time, because man is the same #### getting post again that was posted last time around.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

And lets be clear, they are the PROBLEM.

Not the morons who voted in Trudeau and ran this country further into the ground.

Always the devil on the other side.

Must be election time, because man is the same #### getting post again that was posted last time around.

So do you support the recent spate of Conservative politicians and their policies taking the rights of Canadians away and contributing to hatred of your fellow citizens as a worthy thing? Or just a " as long as Trudeau goes, I don't care"?


If you don't like how this keeps repeating should you not speak out against it?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Azure

And lets be clear, they are the PROBLEM.

Not the morons who voted in Trudeau and ran this country further into the ground.

Always the devil on the other side.

Must be election time, because man is the same #### getting post again that was posted last time around.

I think where we disagree is that this country is run into the ground.

Canada is beautiful, and prosperous. though it has problems, it's problems right now are the problems of the world.

While I have liked some Liberal Policy, I have not always liked the implementation of such. And frankly Trudeau has not been a worthy PM the last two election cycles.

I think that the Conservatives should win the next election and govern for a term. But It pains me that people as evil of a world view as evangelicals have such a grip of that party.

I don't think that anyone is out to lunch to fear about Women's Reproductive Rights and LGBTQ rights with a Conservative party in power.

Yeah it's time for the liberal party to be rinsed from office, but PP is in the pockets of some whackos.

[PepsiFree]

The sooner people acknowledge and make peace with that fact that valid criticism of the Conservatives is not an endorsement of any other party, the better for themselves and everyone else.

We saw this in the US during the last election (and still see it). Trump was seen as enemy number one, and there was no shortage of people shouting down valid criticism of Biden and the Dems because of it (I should know, I was one of them). Unfortunately, the result of rejecting valid criticism of a preferable party (especially when they’re likely to get in regardless of that criticism) is that you end up looking like a hyper-partisan fool with blinders on. You’ll feel silly, if you have the ability to self-reflect at all, but that will pale in comparison to how unserious of an person everyone thinks you are.

It’s one thing to say the risk to the LGBTQ community is worth the outcome for you, that can be judged on its own merit, but to write off valid concerns entirely without addressing them because you just don’t want to hear criticism of your chosen party is nonsense.

But, I get it. The Liberals are evil, corrupt, inept masterminds and the Conservatives are above criticism and anyone who suggests otherwise are fear mongers. Noted. This line of thinking worked very well for Albertans and Americans the last few elections.

[chemgear]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy...at_format=link

How Canada became a car theft capital of the world

In 2022, more than 105,000 cars were stolen in Canada - about one car every five minutes. Among the victims was Canada’s very own federal justice minister, whose government-issued Toyota Highlander XLE was taken twice by thieves.

Early this summer, Interpol listed Canada among the top 10 worst countries for car thefts out of 137 in its database - a “remarkable” feat, said a spokesperson, considering the country only began integrating their data with the international police organisation in February.

The pervasiveness of car thefts in Canada is surprising given how small the country’s population is compared to the US and the UK - other countries with high rates of such crime, says Alexis Piquero, Director of the US Bureau of Justice Statistics.

He told the National Post newspaper that US authorities have “got scanners. They measure density. They work closely with local law enforcement”.

“These are things that we don’t do in Canada,” he said.

In May, the Canadian government said it would invest millions to bolster the CBSA’s ability to search shipping containers. Police will also get additional money to combat auto theft in their communities.

After his Ram Rebel truck was stolen, he replaced it with a Toyota Tundra - a vehicle that Mr LaFreniere described as his “dream truck”.

This time, he installed an engine immobiliser on it to prevent thieves from being able to easily start the car. He also equipped it with a tag tracker in case it did get stolen, and added a club on the steering wheel for good measure.

Thieves were undeterred. A pair came to Mr LaFreniere’s driveway, this time to steal the Tundra. They had a harder time, however, and resorted to shattering the back window to get inside.

He paid to repair his brand new truck and then sold it.

The whole ordeal, he said, was nothing short of “disheartening”.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

valid criticism of the Conservatives is not an endorsement of any other party

For the people in the back.

[FlamesAddiction]

Are evangelicals in Canada really that influential?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Are evangelicals in Canada really that influential?

Yes, they are mobilizing and we ignore them now at our peril. And it doesn't matter if they are extreme, because we have seen moderates will support extreme views if they view them as being on the same team. And if moderates don't support them they'll just reverse takeover whatever thing they need to to take control. see: Alberta.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fun...ment-1.6793677

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Are evangelicals in Canada really that influential?

They have a very strong and predictable voting block that is intent on influencing policy through lobbying, fund raising and participation in party formation.

This article can give you a better understanding of the demographics.


https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../00010-eng.htm

[chemgear]

Saskatchewan wins injunction to block CRA from collecting carbon tax

https://globalnews.ca/news/10611308/...medium=twitter

“The court ruled in our favour, blocking the federal government from unconstitutionally garnishing money, pending the full hearing and determination of the continuation of the injunction by the Federal Court,” Bronwyn Eyre, the provincial justice minister and attorney general, said Monday.

Eyre said garnishing a provincial bank account violates Section 126 of Canada’s constitution. The issue will now go for a full hearing.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The sooner people acknowledge and make peace with that fact that valid criticism of the Conservatives is not an endorsement of any other party, the better for themselves and everyone else.

We saw this in the US during the last election (and still see it). Trump was seen as enemy number one, and there was no shortage of people shouting down valid criticism of Biden and the Dems because of it (I should know, I was one of them). Unfortunately, the result of rejecting valid criticism of a preferable party (especially when they’re likely to get in regardless of that criticism) is that you end up looking like a hyper-partisan fool with blinders on. You’ll feel silly, if you have the ability to self-reflect at all, but that will pale in comparison to how unserious of an person everyone thinks you are.

It’s one thing to say the risk to the LGBTQ community is worth the outcome for you, that can be judged on its own merit, but to write off valid concerns entirely without addressing them because you just don’t want to hear criticism of your chosen party is nonsense.

But, I get it. The Liberals are evil, corrupt, inept masterminds and the Conservatives are above criticism and anyone who suggests otherwise are fear mongers. Noted. This line of thinking worked very well for Albertans and Americans the last few elections.

Great post. But the opposite is true as well. Well, not the opposite, exactly. But it should be okay to criticize the Liberals without having people jump in and tell us PP would be worse. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Saskatchewan wins injunction to block CRA from collecting carbon tax

https://globalnews.ca/news/10611308/...medium=twitter

“The court ruled in our favour, blocking the federal government from unconstitutionally garnishing money, pending the full hearing and determination of the continuation of the injunction by the Federal Court,” Bronwyn Eyre, the provincial justice minister and attorney general, said Monday.

Eyre said garnishing a provincial bank account violates Section 126 of Canada’s constitution. The issue will now go for a full hearing.

Can't the feds just transfer Manitoba fewer dollars back to take the tax? "You don't want to pay us, we won't pay you, either."

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Ped

Great post. But the opposite is true as well. Well, not the opposite, exactly. But it should be okay to criticize the Liberals without having people jump in and tell us PP would be worse. One has nothing to do with the other.

I'm still waiting for someone to get me excited about PP and the Cons. Curves pumped the tires on Marc Carney, but that wasn't a PP Pep Rally.

I just want to know why I should get HYPED for Conservatives - what I can really look forward to that will make this country absolutely great - without saying they're not the Libs or how they want to have whoopee with the Prime Minister.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ped

Great post. But the opposite is true as well. Well, not the opposite, exactly. But it should be okay to criticize the Liberals without having people jump in and tell us PP would be worse. One has nothing to do with the other.

I kind of disagree, depending on the context. I actually think that goes against my point.

If someone is making a valid criticism of the Liberals and someone says “Doesn’t matter, the Conservatives are worse” without any addition context then I get what you’re saying. That’s about the same as whining about/writing things off as fear mongering or changing the subject or being an “apologist” or whatever dumb thing.

But if there’s an actual counter point, go nuts. If someone wants to respond to valid criticism on the Conservatives LGBTQ record with valid criticism of the Liberals record on the same file, that’s a conversation that can be had. Same goes with housing, economic policy, scandals, whatever. Elections are all about comparing and contrasting records and promises.

There’s a pretty massive, canyon sized gap between “yes, but” and “blah blah blah stupid fear mongering!” when responding to valid criticism.

The former might have used their brain. The latter might as well not even have one.

[Ped]

Yes, but if I say "the Liberals are totally corrupt," then someone else jumps in and says "yeah but the Conservatives are totally corrupt even worse!" then that's irrelevant. My original statement said nothing about the Conservatives. I didn't suggest voting Conservative. All I said was the Liberals are really corrupt.


Similarly, with the LGBTQ, if I think the Liberals have a bad policy on it, I'm allowed to say it. It's not saying the Conservatives or NDP would be better. Just that I think the Liberals have a bad policy.


Now, if I say "The Liberals have a bad policy on LGBTQ (or anything else), and I follow up with "We need to vote them out!" then sure go nuts in responding with they may be bad, but here's why the others are even worse.


For me there just has to be a better response than "The other people suck too!" Yeah they might. But it's not the topic at hand, and it's a lazy way of arguing.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm still waiting for someone to get me excited about PP and the Cons. Curves pumped the tires on Marc Carney, but that wasn't a PP Pep Rally.

I just want to know why I should get HYPED for Conservatives - what I can really look forward to that will make this country absolutely great - without saying they're not the Libs or how they want to have whoopee with the Prime Minister.

I think this is a least worst election. None of the candidates should make you excited. Best case outcome is a conservative or NDP minority that is short lived until the liberals elect someone competent.

Harper’s Minority was a really effective period of governance through the financial crisis.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think where we disagree is that this country is run into the ground.

Canada is beautiful, and prosperous. though it has problems, it's problems right now are the problems of the world.

While I have liked some Liberal Policy, I have not always liked the implementation of such. And frankly Trudeau has not been a worthy PM the last two election cycles.

I think that the Conservatives should win the next election and govern for a term. But It pains me that people as evil of a world view as evangelicals have such a grip of that party.

I don't think that anyone is out to lunch to fear about Women's Reproductive Rights and LGBTQ rights with a Conservative party in power.

Yeah it's time for the liberal party to be rinsed from office, but PP is in the pockets of some whackos.

This fear mongering is the exact stuff that was used last election for people to justify voting for what was already a corrupt government. I'm sure those people are very proud that they made sure the social issues they turned into the boogyman didn't become a problem. Of course it came at the price of what has now turned into some major structural issues, but fear-mongers gonna fear monger.

PP is in the pockets of who? This is the O'Toole / Harper stupidity all over again. The CPs know it is political suicide to form a government and then turn around and ban abortion. Or whatever else Fuzz is whining about. So what they're doing is exactly what ever party likely to be elected does. Nothing. Deflect. Lay blame, etc. The fact that we are all adults having voted in numerous elections where the exact thing happens and people still don't get it boggles my mind.