None of those other Provinces are asking the entire country to change how they live and how they operate their provinces to accommodate them. Just Alberta.
If Alberta had done a better job managing all the money made over the previous 60+ years as well as managing their relationship with the rest of the country, they wouldn't be beggars now. As a Province, I won't outright say you deserve to suffer for your poor choices but you sure as #### shouldn't prosper and get to dictate how other people do things because of them.
None of those other Provinces are asking the entire country to change how they live and how they operate their provinces to accommodate them. Just Alberta.
None of those other Provinces are asking the entire country to change how they live and how they operate their provinces to accommodate them. Just Alberta.
If Alberta had done a better job managing all the money made over the previous 60+ years as well as managing their relationship with the rest of the country, they wouldn't be beggars now. As a Province, I won't outright say you deserve to suffer for your poor choices but you sure as #### shouldn't prosper and get to dictate how other people do things because of them.
How will you be forced to change how you live and operate if Alberta builds a pipeline to coastal waters?
Lol, PP is so pathetic and predictable. Of course he was gonna grasp at straws trying to find something to piss and moan about regarding this pipeline deal. Dude is such a f'n loser.
Despite today’s agreement, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says Carney is still “in the way” of a new pipeline.
“Today’s memorandum does not promise a pipeline will be built. It promises that seven months from now, a pipeline proposal will be referred to a federal office for two further years of study,” Poilievre said in a statement released by the party.
The Conservative leader said the Liberals should repeal the industrial carbon price and simply approve a permit for a pipeline to the West Coast.
“Everything else — the endless committees, meetings, studies, paperwork, memorandums — is a distraction to delay and deflect responsibility away from the prime minister,” Poilievre’s statement said.
At a certain point any government is going to have to force tough decisions when they represent important national strategic interests. Why is this even a question? There is large demand for something that Canada has, and is really good at making. While the transition happens, there is still money/jobs to be had for decades.
Also, BC talks a good game but they have no problem shipping out their slightly less dirty (30% cleaner burning) LNG through those delicate coastal waters.
I don't think it is over-stating things to say that Canada is going through some existential #### right now. Our big bro is abandoning us in a school yard with a couple of really big bullies, and is even starting to act like one themselves. We've been lazy and over-reliant on them for at least 30 years. Taking our defence and sovereignty more serious now, is better to reacting if it is really tested. It's just what real countries do. Likewise, re-industrializing certain industries that were shipped to the USA or Mexico. Canada can't just be a resource producer and maker of nothing complex.
What Carney is doing is amazing. It will give the people that complain about all this stuff, while never proposing viable alternatives, the freedom to keep doing that.
No not at all, I don’t think the country does these things intentionally. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t do it. Also yes it is possible to meet jerks all day despite you not being a jerk, very much so but that’s a weird disconnected analogy that doesn’t make much sense or align.
Can you please let me know though if other provinces have actively blocked, or the federal government has legislation or policy prohibiting economic growth in any of the following provinces or territories?
- forestry, mining, tv and film or tourism in BC?
- potash mining, uranium or agriculture in SK?
- hydroelectric or manufacturing in Manitoba?
- the automotive or financial sectors in ON?
- hydroelectric, forestry, aerospace, pharmaceuticals in QC? Dairy in QC?
- oil refining or forestry in NB?
- shipbuilding, fisheries, tourism or marine R&D in NS?
- agriculture or fish industries in PEI?
- oil and gas, fisheries or mining in Newfoundland?
- mining in the territories?
Just trying to find an analog?
Ok let's use PEI fisheries. They agreed to a Seafood Sector Climate Change Adaptation Strategy in collaboration with the federal government and indigenous groups.
If that were Alberta, we'd be throwing a fit about how it's unfair to our industry.
Newfoundland has agreed to many environmental policies, regulatory oversights, etc when it comes to their much smaller oil industry.
Smith decided to make some concessions, the feds made some as well, and we got a project started. Maybe, just maybe if we hadn't been throwing fits about everything little thing and made an attempt to work together we'd be a little further along.
I'm not saying the feds are perfect, far from it, they have many stupid restrictions and policies, but the blame is just as much on this province for acting like spoiled children as it is on inept federal governments over the last 40 years. I want to be clear, I'm not saying every federal government was willing to work well, but we'll never truly know because all we do is cry and point fingers at everyone else.
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- forestry, mining, tv and film or tourism in BC?
- potash mining, uranium or agriculture in SK?
- hydroelectric or manufacturing in Manitoba?
- the automotive or financial sectors in ON?
- hydroelectric, forestry, aerospace, pharmaceuticals in QC? Dairy in QC?
- oil refining or forestry in NB?
- shipbuilding, fisheries, tourism or marine R&D in NS?
- agriculture or fish industries in PEI?
- oil and gas, fisheries or mining in Newfoundland?
- mining in the territories?
Most if not all of them (to the extent that they have federal regulations attached to them). That's what regulations essentially are, limits put on economic activity to reduce societal harm/abuse as a result of it.
Shifting the blame for why pipelines can’t happen to BC and FN groups is a smart political move for sure by Carney.
If you forget that the feds are the ones that can push whatever they want through at the end of the day.
When Eby and FN say no to this I look forward to more comments on CP about how this all makes sense.
I’ll believe it when shovels are in the ground but we are light years from that.
Again how the gov has acted on this file is literally all you need to know about how much of a threat the USA annexing us is (zero).
Well, depending on the route, the federal government may not be able to push this through, which would be very interesting. There will likely be Supreme Court challenges if the project is to proceed with Northern Gateway.
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Lol, PP is so pathetic and predictable. Of course he was gonna grasp at straws trying to find something to piss and moan about regarding this pipeline deal. Dude is such a f'n loser.
Sure, PP. Just issue a permit for a pipeline that isn't laid out, and we don't actually have a project or anyone to fund. That is the prudent way to get this going.
I'm sure certain Albertan's and associated industries have reasons for complaining or wanting better. Some of it may even be justified.
It's the constant whinging like a collection of hive-minded toddlers about every...little...f###ing...thing while taking precisely zero accountability and blaming Ottawa and the Liberals any time they stub their toes.
It's exhausting, and I think a lot of people have run out of the energy required to stretch undeserved empathy that god damned wide.
Dig you agree with Notley having the Alberta government boycott BC wine at the time?
Much of the anger by Albertans isn't partisan based, it's regional based. Unfortunately our parties tend to govern based on who offers most regionally, which leads to partisanship taking an inherent part due to leaders of said parties. And a lot of it is very legitimate and reasonable anger. You have a landlocked province with a controversial product it is dependent on which consistently targeted by other provinces on ideological missions to sabotage good faith deals (Horgan).
One eloquent decade long tenured PM once said this about Albertans
"Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work," Trudeau told interviewer Patrick Lagacé.
When asked whether he thought Canada was "better served when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans," Trudeau replied, "I'm a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec. There was Trudeau, there was Mulroney, there was Chrétien, there was Paul Martin. We have a role. This country, Canada, it belongs to us."
So you had a PM who actively saw Albertans and Alberta centric issues as problematic to Canada, who ran Canada under his leadership using said mentality to fix what he deemed to be a Canada where Alberta has too much say.
Albertans will vote for who meets their interests most (both economical and socially), and in the federal level, that will currently be the CPC. The Liberals current approach under Carney may bring Albertans to soften up their opposition to past Liberal / Trudeau transgressions.
All things considering, Carney got the Liberal Albertan federal vote from 15% in 2021 to 28% just by being someone else than Trudeau. That may go higher next election if Carney continues to prove they mean to include Alberta as an integral part of Canada versus a problem.
All things considering, Carney got the Liberal Albertan federal vote from 15% in 2021 to 28% just by being someone else than Trudeau. That may go higher next election if Carney continues to prove they mean to include Alberta as an integral part of Canada versus a problem.
We both know it won't.
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None of those other Provinces are asking the entire country to change how they live and how they operate their provinces to accommodate them. Just Alberta.
If Alberta had done a better job managing all the money made over the previous 60+ years as well as managing their relationship with the rest of the country, they wouldn't be beggars now. As a Province, I won't outright say you deserve to suffer for your poor choices but you sure as #### shouldn't prosper and get to dictate how other people do things because of them.
Either this post is satire, or one of the most brain dead things I’ve seen posted here.
Ok let's use PEI fisheries. They agreed to a Seafood Sector Climate Change Adaptation Strategy in collaboration with the federal government and indigenous groups.
If that were Alberta, we'd be throwing a fit about how it's unfair to our industry.
Newfoundland has agreed to many environmental policies, regulatory oversights, etc when it comes to their much smaller oil industry.
Smith decided to make some concessions, the feds made some as well, and we got a project started. Maybe, just maybe if we hadn't been throwing fits about everything little thing and made an attempt to work together we'd be a little further along.
I'm not saying the feds are perfect, far from it, they have many stupid restrictions and policies, but the blame is just as much on this province for acting like spoiled children as it is on inept federal governments over the last 40 years. I want to be clear, I'm not saying every federal government was willing to work well, but we'll never truly know because all we do is cry and point fingers at everyone else.
Climate change adaptation strategy. No more syllables possible in that one?
Smith decided to make some concessions, the feds made some as well, and we got a project started. Maybe, just maybe if we hadn't been throwing fits about everything little thing and made an attempt to work together we'd be a little further along.
I'm not saying the feds are perfect, far from it, they have many stupid restrictions and policies, but the blame is just as much on this province for acting like spoiled children as it is on inept federal governments over the last 40 years. I want to be clear, I'm not saying every federal government was willing to work well, but we'll never truly know because all we do is cry and point fingers at everyone else.
Show us something like this coming from Trudeau's tenue from a premier (especially a conservative one) praising such a meeting.
The Council of Atlantic Premiers met virtually on Wednesday, June 21, with Stephen Guilbeault, federal Minister of Environment and Climate Change, seeking options to reduce the impact of implementing the clean fuel standards. The premiers and Minister Guilbeault previously met in May, but the Minister presented no new information nor any possible solutions to mitigate impact and did not agree to delay implementation of the regulations on July 1.
That last one, eventually grew to the heating oil carveout after the backlash of not listening to Atlantic provinces, which lead one Liberal to effectively say you should vote Liberal if you want carveouts.
Note Notley agreeing with Ford here . Maybe...just maybe if some of you folks weren't so busy gaslighting yourself on fire on the past, you'd stop and see that Trudeau was absolutely not amicable with provinces he ideologically opposed , took pleasure in promoting very divisive policies that disproportionally impacted some provinces more than others and imposing them despite objections and this cooperation would not be a thing a year ago.
Maybe it need a threat like Trump to do it for Canadians to wake up (and Liberals to hard pivot), but we were absolutely not having this level of mutual provincial cooperation under the previous governments (over the past 20 years).
You wouldn't want a guy commentating on a subject he has been intimately involved in for several years, because you are a barista in Vancouver.
He's definitely the nerd in this one.
Even Mark Carney is slowly trying to unveil the amount of previous nonsense anti-vaxx analogous baloney but cannot do it too fast because of his flock of sheep, because he is smart.
Sacrificing virgins for the environment is history you would have thought.
You wouldn't want a guy commentating on a subject he has been intimately involved in for several years, because you are a barista in Vancouver.
He's definitely the nerd in this one.
With that ####ty cop out? Him. Still him. If he knows what he's talking about intimately then talk about it. As far as I know that's the way it looks and nothing he said indicates anyway otherwise so I just ignore him and move on.
It's a shame all those blows to your head are finally showing
With that ####ty cop out? Him. Still him. If he knows what he's talking about intimately then talk about it. As far as I know that's the way it looks and nothing he said indicates anyway otherwise so I just ignore him and move on.
It's a shame all those blows to your head are finally showing
Might be time to step away from the keyboard and stop embarrassing yourself.
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