Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I don't love a government run food program. I think it's likely to end up being very expensive per meal delivered, not that healthy, and not that tasty. I'd much prefer an increase to the Canada Child Benefit designed to help with this issue. It creates no extra bureaucracy (people are already getting the money, give them more if needed) and I think the vast majority of people genuinely want their kids to have sufficient food, so would do that if they could.

How about a government run grocery store?

With all of the noise around bad faith grocery stores, bread price fixing, etc. would you rather have a public grocer that brings food to communities at a cheaper price point than the private options?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wolven

How about a government run grocery store?

With all of the noise around bad faith grocery stores, bread price fixing, etc. would you rather have a public grocer that brings food to communities at a cheaper price point than the private options?

Nah. Let’s just invest taxpayer dollars in the existing stores. That makes way more sense.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Nah. Let’s just invest taxpayer dollars in the existing stores. That makes way more sense.

No it doesn't. Giving taxpayer dollars to private corporations doesn't do anything to help people or solve any problems.

If we want to influence the private companies then we should implement regulations to prevent shrinkflation and price cap products like bread.

[TorqueDog]

If it was posted by anyone else, I’d have said they were being sarcastic, because investing taxpayers monies is exactly what we’ve been doing — through subsidies, tax breaks, and sweetheart policies, and those have not resulted in cheaper food or better corporate behaviour.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Wolven

No it doesn't. Giving taxpayer dollars to private corporations doesn't do anything to help people or solve any problems.

If we want to influence the private companies then we should implement regulations to prevent shrinkflation and price cap products like bread.

So what you are saying is we shouldn’t subsidize them with say, new freezers of anything? I think that something like that would really help.

[Bill Bumface]

From Reddit on Justin Trudeau being spotted kissing Kay Perry:

"Amazing, Canada's first black Prime Minister is dating an astronaut!"

[Slava]

With the moving of the Jeep Compass manufacturing to Illinois from Brampton, and the Canola/EV issue with China, I wonder if there’s any appetite to have Chinese EVs manufactured here in some kind of larger trade deal. Clearly the US is hellbent on moving production south, and this is going to have a crushing impact on Canada. We need to replace that with something, and things could fit together here pretty nicely.

[Sylvanfan]

I don't think China has any interest in that. They want to manufacture everything so they keep their own population busy. No chance they give any of that up. They see a weakling and are offering to salvage one dying industry if we agree to quickly kill our Auto sector. Eventually they'll find another way to kill off our agriculture too

[direwolf]

They had an American guy on CBC a few months back who works for one of the big auto companies in Michigan. I remember he said that the North American auto industry is so integrated that trying to move all manufacturing back to the U.S. and decouple from Canada and Mexico would probably take decades and would cost auto companies billions of dollars. From his point of view he just didn't see it happening and mentioned that just trying to overhaul the supply chains would be an absolute nightmare that would take years.

Obviously we're starting to see tiny incremental movements towards that with this Jeep Compass thing. But it'll be a long, slow death unless we can come up with some kind of deal with this lunatic administration.

Trump will hopefully be long dead before any of this really takes place, and what happens beyond that is anyone's guess.

[Fuzz]

At least it's only a Jeep Compass.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't think China has any interest in that. They want to manufacture everything so they keep their own population busy. No chance they give any of that up. They see a weakling and are offering to salvage one dying industry if we agree to quickly kill our Auto sector. Eventually they'll find another way to kill off our agriculture too

China is on a path to have barely anyone working in the factories anyways. For them to distribute manufacturing they can unlock strategic trade deals, as this would represent, and also de-risk their supply chains by scattering things around the world.

I think they would have interest if our population size and density wasn't so damn low and isolated.

[Harry Lime]

On the other hand, I wish that growing wealth within the population was an option, instead of growing the population with a few wealthy overlords.

I would be more than happy being a Sweden clone.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

China is on a path to have barely anyone working in the factories anyways. For them to distribute manufacturing they can unlock strategic trade deals, as this would represent, and also de-risk their supply chains by scattering things around the world.

I think they would have interest if our population size and density wasn't so damn low and isolated.

They still have time until they turn demographically, and their unions don't have any power so they should be able to automate pretty quickly when they need to.

Canada is a tough market due to its physical size and geography as you note which spreads the population into clustered area's with a lot of dead space between it. They might see Canada as a path to getting things to the US. But realistically the same idea applies to Mexico which has a much larger population and a reasonably healthy demographics in terms of population structure.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Slava

With the moving of the Jeep Compass manufacturing to Illinois from Brampton, and the Canola/EV issue with China, I wonder if there’s any appetite to have Chinese EVs manufactured here in some kind of larger trade deal. Clearly the US is hellbent on moving production south, and this is going to have a crushing impact on Canada. We need to replace that with something, and things could fit together here pretty nicely.

This is a no no and a major concern of economists and trade specialists. The onboarding of Chinese companies in North America to take advantage of USMCA/NAFTA rules and tariff free trade, with all the profits and advantages still going to China. A ton of auto parts from Chinese owned companies produce in Mexico, getting into North America cheap and killing more jobs locally.

An insane amount of factories, businesses, products and more are being produced in countries that are still owned by the Chinese, avoiding the "Made in China" concerns. If people remember when the Trump admin tariffed the island with all the penguins and people laughed, it wasn't about penguins. It was to prevent anything of valuing from being produced and imported from there.

The concern people have with Chinese EV's is how good they are at this stage and getting better which will only degrade the North American EV and auto industry. China is producing the EV equivalent of an iPhone but us losers in North America are satisfied with the low level garbage of Tesla and others.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This is a no no and a major concern of economists and trade specialists. The onboarding of Chinese companies in North America to take advantage of USMCA/NAFTA rules and tariff free trade, with all the profits and advantages still going to China. A ton of auto parts from Chinese owned companies produce in Mexico, getting into North America cheap and killing more jobs locally.

An insane amount of factories, businesses, products and more are being produced in countries that are still owned by the Chinese, avoiding the "Made in China" concerns. If people remember when the Trump admin tariffed the island with all the penguins and people laughed, it wasn't about penguins. It was to prevent anything of valuing from being produced and imported from there.

The concern people have with Chinese EV's is how good they are at this stage and getting better which will only degrade the North American EV and auto industry. China is producing the EV equivalent of an iPhone but us losers in North America are satisfied with the low level garbage of Tesla and others.

Here's the thing: The Canadian auto sector is being decimated. If we believe the US and its current administration, they want all vehicles to be made in the US. That could never happen, but if we had some public, serious concerns about Chinese EVs being manufactured in Canada and potentially posing a threat to their industry, it might make the negotiations more interesting.

Of course, it's a significant threat to the US auto companies, but what loyalty should Canada have there when it's clear that they are not incredibly loyal to us?

[FlamesAddiction]

China already owns mines and farmland in Canada. At this point, if they are willing to produce EVs here and make jobs for Canadians, then go for it. Granted, I am pretty dumb about stuff, but we are already doing a lot of business with China so I don't see the difference. It seems like we already broke the seal on that one.

As long as the plan isn't to build them here but with foreign workers, something they often do.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Slava

Here's the thing: The Canadian auto sector is being decimated. If we believe the US and its current administration, they want all vehicles to be made in the US. That could never happen, but if we had some public, serious concerns about Chinese EVs being manufactured in Canada and potentially posing a threat to their industry, it might make the negotiations more interesting.

Of course, it's a significant threat to the US auto companies, but what loyalty should Canada have there when it's clear that they are not incredibly loyal to us?

Yeah. Maybe you can argue that we should accept tarriffs on ag products to protect our auto sector. I'm uncertain about that, but you can make the argument.

But should we accept hurting the ag sector to protect the US-auto sector? I can't think of any reason why we'd want to do that. And frankly from a consumer point of view of we're importing all our cars anyway I'd like to have the cheapest option available.

[calgarygeologist]

Could a corporate tax cut be coming in Carney's first federal budget? I'm certain a lot of people will like that if it happens.

Prime Minister Mark Carney said the upcoming federal budget will include measures that give Canada “a highly competitive corporate tax system,” but stopped short of providing any details.
“We’re well aware of what the relative tax rates are in investment, and we will make sure that they are competitive in the budget,” he told reporters Thursday.

Mr. Carney said the budget will maintain Canada’s “broad brush” approach to personal income taxes and “the balance of the social model” but suggested more attention will be given to competitiveness on the corporate tax front going forward.

https://archive.ph/2025.10.16-175513...udget-reduced/

[GullFoss]

You think this guy will ever be PM? What a seemingly insane spiral this guy has been on. Pro genocide. Calling to jail Trudeau. Accusing police of cover-ups. Just shows his true colors by trying to inflame tensions through conspiracies and bigotry.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...r-up-9.6940885

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I like the theory that the next leader of the Conservative Party of Canada will be Katy Perry... as she's he one doing what all those flag say.