Where does Iginla play next year?

[Roof-Daddy]

I agree that the Flames kept chasing it too long because of Iginla, but I don't blame him for that at all. I feel that organizational goal came more from ownership than Jarome, and I believe he probably would have agreed to be moved 2-3 years ago had the organization asked. It is what it is, no sense crying over spilled milk.....it's finally time to just clean up the mess.

Like I said though, if he signs with one of our bitter rivals, I'll be bitterly disappointed.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not blaming Iginla, but what I said isn't wrong. Building around Iginla prevented management and ownership from taking an honest audit of the state of this franchise. When I hear the Pens being a model franchise I think it's pathetic. They tanked and lucked into one generational player and another elite player.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I agree that the Flames kept chasing it too long because of Iginla, but I don't blame him for that at all. I feel that organizational goal came more from ownership than Jarome, and I believe he probably would have agreed to be moved 2-3 years ago had the organization asked. It is what it is, no sense crying over spilled milk.....it's finally time to just clean up the mess.

Like I said though, if he signs with one of our bitter rivals, I'll be bitterly disappointed.

exactly, this is what I meant but these two said it better.

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not blaming Iginla, but what I said isn't wrong. Building around Iginla prevented management and ownership from taking an honest audit of the state of this franchise. When I hear the Pens being a model franchise I think it's pathetic. They tanked and lucked into one generational player and another elite player.

But unless Jarome went up there with a gun to their head and said build around me and ignore common sense or hockey knowledge I don't see how it is his fault.

There was a lot more mistakes than just trying to win with Jarome that this management group has made.

[nik-]

Again, I didn't say it was Jarome's fault. In the posted you quoted I plainly stated that. But carry on moon.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not blaming Iginla, but what I said isn't wrong. Building around Iginla prevented management and ownership from taking an honest audit of the state of this franchise. When I hear the Pens being a model franchise I think it's pathetic. They tanked and lucked into one generational player and another elite player.

You did blame Jarome though. Or at last this looks alot like blame

The reason Calgary is in a disastrous state is because we continued to cater to the guy and chase a dragon's tail to make him happy.

But either way Iginla or not the team would not have gone into the full rebuild any sooner. No team would have. Teams don't rebuild until they are forced to, it is never a choice.

[nik-]

There's a difference between being the one making the decisions and being the catalyst for decisions. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Again, I didn't say it was Jarome's fault. In the posted you quoted I plainly stated that. But carry on moon.

I will gladly carry on thanks.

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's a difference between being the one making the decisions and being the catalyst for decisions. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

Good thing then that Jarome wasn't the catalyst.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

You did blame Jarome though. Or at last this looks alot like blame



But either way Iginla or not the team would not have gone into the full rebuild any sooner. No team would have. Teams don't rebuild until they are forced to, it is never a choice.

I agree with others that Iggy can not be blamed for the mess the flames are in. He had said for the last bunch of years that if ownership wanted to go in another direction he would waive. Really can't ask more than that from him.

I do not agree with the bolded part. If ownership had come to their senses 2 years ago they would have traded Iggy and started a rebuild/retool. It should not take 4 years out of the playoffs to figure they had to go in another direction. Ownership held on to the dream of winning a cup with Iggy.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agree with others that Iggy can not be blamed for the mess the flames are in. He had said for the last bunch of years that if ownership wanted to go in another direction he would waive. Really can't ask more than that from him.

I do not agree with the bolded part. If ownership had come to their senses 2 years ago they would have traded Iggy and started a rebuild/retool. It should not take 4 years out of the playoffs to figure they had to go in another direction. Ownership held on to the dream of winning a cup with Iggy.

I don't care if you agree or not, it is a cold hard fact that too many people seem to be ignorant to.

It is not a case of what should happen, it's what does happen. Teams simply do not sell off their players when the team is a borderline playoff team unless they have financial difficulties.

Show me a team that chose to rebuild before finishing in the bottom 6-7 teams in the league that didn't do it because of finances. I will bet you can't.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by nik-

There's a difference between being the one making the decisions and being the catalyst for decisions. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

you implied Iginla would have been unhappy if the team had not tried to win while he was here. You might not be giving him all the blame but that is certainly some of it.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I don't care if you agree or not, it is a cold hard fact that too many people seem to be ignorant to.

It is not a case of what should happen, it's what does happen. Teams simply do not sell off their players when the team is a borderline playoff team unless they have financial difficulties.

Show me a team that chose to rebuild before finishing in the bottom 6-7 teams in the league that didn't do it because of finances. I will bet you can't.

Ottawa.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Ottawa.

And when exactly did they choose this rebuild?

Or is Trading Kelly & Fisher a couple middle 6 players while being 8 games under .500 choosing a rebuild now? Because the Sens were 8 games under .500 and 14 points out of the playoffs after 49 games when Murray said he would try and pick up some draft picks. The team finished 8 games under .500 to finish the season and still finished in the bottom 6.

[moon]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Ottawa.

Ottawa finished bottom 6 and didn't really rebuild as they kept older guys like Alfredsson, Phillips and Spezza.

[saskflames69]

Winnipeg. Don't ask questions just accept it and move on.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

Lol

D-bag move for saying the truth about Pittsburgh and not insulting the Flames in any way?

And Iginlas fault for management being idiots?

I guess people will make up anything to fit their garbage ideas.

The guy wasn't even there for two days before he was telling reporters that the Penguins were the model team and had such a winning atmosphere and great tradition. I guess Iggy forgot he was largely responsible for the development of the attitude and atmosphere in the dressing room. Making such comments in such a short period of time is a direct shot at the Flames organization. It would be like spending two days in a new city and then proclaiming it to be the best city in the world. How the hell would you know one way or the other when you have such limited experience in that city? How the hell would Iginla know anything about how the Penguins were run with less than two days of experience with the team?

Iginla is not at fault for the short comings of management, but there is more than enough problems to laid at his feet when it comes to the culture of the hockey club and how it developed over the past decade. He shouldn't be out there shooting his mouth off about how great it is on another team when he was the leader of the club he just left and where things were obviously not so prime. I see Iginla's comments no different than those of a C-level employee leaving a company then saying how poor the culture of the enterprise was. He was in a position of leadership and establishing cultural norms. Don't bitch about it once you leave when you were in a position to establish those norms.

[Machiavelli]

^ Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Iginla did not say a single word to disparage the Flames.

[FlameZilla]

2 days after the trade Iginla was praising the state-of-the-art facilities that the Penguins have, and saying that he thought they might contribute to the recent success and winning culture in Pittsburgh. That is not a backhanded remark aimed at the Flames.

[CSharp]

He wins the Cup with The Pens and comes back to Calgary to bring back to the Flames a winning culture and shows the new young guns what it takes to win. Flames need a #1 centerman as their first priority as usual.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

2 days after the trade Iginla was praising the state-of-the-art facilities that the Penguins have, and saying that he thought they might contribute to the recent success and winning culture in Pittsburgh. That is not a backhanded remark aimed at the Flames.

It was the truth. Not sure why any fans would be upset at Iginla making a truthful observation about his new team.

Iginla played a role in the Flames downturn but at the end of the day the ultimate responsibility for the poor state of the franchise falls at the feet of Ken King and the owners. The fact Iginla is gone and the same clowns are running the show simply means that this team is going to fail and embaress themselves with or without Iginla.

As for Iginla signing with the Canucks I would be fine with it. At the end of the day it's a business and in a way King and the Flames owners have it coming for the way they fumbled the team during Jarome's career in Calgary. We can only hope they learned a valuable lesson in how to properly build a Stanley Cup contender but I have a bad feeling they will be looking for more quick fixes.