Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

And? That's plenty to see the kind of player he is. People use small samples all the time when they are big games.
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It is a nice narrative but I don't buy it.
Certainly a strong performance hasn't hurt his chances, but I don't see it meaningfully changing things or causing BT to rush out and change his stance.
There might be some more public pressure now, but I don't see BT being the type that bows to that.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

3 Games of being the arguably the best skater (goalies excluded) in the tourney individually and out shined almost every player in every game.

And against "the best" in the world..? Sample size or not, he has proven he is among the best in the world right now and only getting better.

Give him his money. Make him want to be determined to win with a flaming C on his chest.

Just "giving him his money" is precisely the wrong approach. Particularly if you are doing so on the basis of 3 non NHL games.
3 games proves nothing. It suggests something. But it proves nothing.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

It is a nice narrative but I don't buy it.
Certainly a strong performance hasn't hurt his chances, but I don't see it meaningfully changing things or causing BT to rush out and change his stance.
There might be some more public pressure now, but I don't see BT being the type that bows to that.

What do you think it does to Gaudreau's stance?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do you think it does to Gaudreau's stance?

Nothing.

As I alluded to in the other thread, unless you've been living under a rock, or are an eastern based member of the media, this is the exact same #### Johnny Hockey has been dazzling Flames fans with for quite some time.

Doing it in a different jersey doesn't change that.

[AC]

I think it's naive to suggest Gaudreau's success in this tournament will have no impact. It may not mean anything to the Flames management, but I'd be willing to bet Lewis Gross will trot it out.

If anything it may increase the chance of the 2 sides not budging on their dollar values.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do you think it does to Gaudreau's stance?

Nuttin.
EDIT: Agree with AC. I think the agent will obviously use any ammunition they can. But I don't think it will actually impact the negotiations except perhaps to cause both sides to actually dig in their heels more.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by AC

I think it's naive to suggest Gaudreau's success in this tournament will have no impact. It may not mean anything to the Flames management, but I'd be willing to bet Lewis Gross will trot it out.

If anything it may increase the chance of the 2 sides not budging on their dollar values.

Gross trotting it out isn't an impact though.

An impact is it causing Gaudreau to think he's suddenly worth more and holding out. Or Flames suddenly thinking he is worth more and signing him to a higher amount.

Once again, I know nothing I didn't know before. I'd be shocked if the Flames didn't feel the same. This is especially true since he's playing with Nuge and Mckinnon. Those are some pretty amazing linemates.

[TheAlpineOracle]

I know I'll take heat for this, but I think this standoff has more to do with Johnny and his mom/east coast complex than it does the Flames not being willing to pay. I think the Flames want to lock him up for as long as possible, and I think Gaudreau wants to keep his options open to head East sooner rather than later. Not saying he will, but he wants the option.

[CroFlames]

Nothing indicates Johnny wants to play in the East.

[Robbob]

I think the east coast thing is over exaggerated. As with his agent, I am sure his parents are advising him to chase the guaranteed money. This is a hell of a lot of money that will go a long ways to helping multiple generations.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Nothing indicates Johnny wants to play in the East.

Except the multiple articles and stories talking about his close knit family, mom wanting him closer to home, etc. I think even he himself once said he could see himself playing for the Flyers down the road (not 100% sure on that). I'm sure it's overstated, but where there's smoke there is fire.

I'm not saying he doesn't want to play in Calgary, I'm saying he seems like a guy with a lot of things pulling him home that he probably wants to keep it an option and sooner than 8 years down the road. Things change. He could become part of the city, get a wife here, etc., but this is not his home. It's not even his country.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Except the multiple articles and stories talking about his close knit family, mom wanting him closer to home, etc. I think even he himself once said he could see himself playing for the Flyers down the road (not 100% sure on that). I'm sure it's overstated, but where there's smoke there is fire.

I'm not saying he doesn't want to play in Calgary, I'm saying he seems like a guy with a lot of things pulling him home that he probably wants to keep it an option and sooner than 8 years down the road. Things change. He could become part of the city, get a wife here, etc., but this is not his home. It's not even his country.

Every player in the NHL has family and the vast majority are geographically far from their place of birth. You're reaching / over-dramatizing things.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Except the multiple articles and stories talking about his close knit family, mom wanting him closer to home, etc. I think even he himself once said he could see himself playing for the Flyers down the road (not 100% sure on that). I'm sure it's overstated, but where there's smoke there is fire.

I'm not saying he doesn't want to play in Calgary, I'm saying he seems like a guy with a lot of things pulling him home that he probably wants to keep it an option and sooner than 8 years down the road. Things change. He could become part of the city, get a wife here, etc., but this is not his home. It's not even his country.

If there are a multitude of articles and stories about him wanting to be close to home, why aren't you 100% sure?

I have a close nit family too, and I moved away. If I was an NHLer, my dream NHL club would not be my hometown. What his mom wants has nothing to do with what he wants.

What we DO have is actual evidence that Johnny wants to stay in Calgary and he likes it here.

[PepsiFree]

Please Johnny, sign.

Release us from this nonstop circular conversation so we can move on to the next nonstop circular conversation.

Pay him 10 million, trade him, anything, ANYTHING!

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Nuttin.
EDIT: Agree with AC. I think the agent will obviously use any ammunition they can. But I don't think it will actually impact the negotiations except perhaps to cause both sides to actually dig in their heels more.

I would think this tournament would go a long way towards cementing in Johnny's mind that he belongs with the league's best. That's just human nature.

It seems to have cemented it for a lot of hockey fans.

What I would take from this, is that even if Johnny's side "wins" the negotiation, he isn't going to be overpaid even if he gets as much as $8 million so its a win for Flames fans either way.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Every player in the NHL has family and the vast majority are geographically far from their place of birth. You're reaching / over-dramatizing things.

Not every NHL player can play basically where they grew up, among friends and family, with the team they grew up watching.

I'm not saying he doesn't want to be in Calgary today, but 7-8 years is a big commitment. If i'm him i'm pushing for the contract that gets me to UFA the shortest. Keep my options open. Calgary is probable pushing for a 7-8 year deal.

I don't think this stalemate is about money. I think the market is pretty much set for him. 7.25 - 7.5M.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Not every NHL player can play basically where they grew up, among friends and family, with the team they grew up watching.

And that's because they grow up and are paid millions of dollars to play elsewhere and can afford to travel anywhere they want at any time on top of the fact they have several months off each summer.

It's why it's a big reach to suggest the geography / family angle is a problem.

Especially in the face of Gaudreau saying he wants to be in Calgary long term and early news that both sides are seeking a long term.

It just doesn't add up to the amount of concern you're trying to put forth on nothing but a gut feeling.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If there are a multitude of articles and stories about him wanting to be close to home, why aren't you 100% sure?

I have a close nit family too, and I moved away. If I was an NHLer, my dream NHL club would not be my hometown. What his mom wants has nothing to do with what he wants.

What we DO have is actual evidence that Johnny wants to stay in Calgary and he likes it here.

I'm not 100% sure he came right out and said could see himself with the Flyers one day, but I'm confident I read that or saw that in an offseason interview somewhere. The rest i'm 100% sure of.

I moved away too, and I can guarantee you that if I was able to make the same money and live practically the same life I was in Calgary while living among my childhood friends and family, it would be a pretty hard decision for me to lock in here for another 8 years despite me having become quite fond of Calgary.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Except the multiple articles and stories talking about his close knit family, mom wanting him closer to home, etc. I think even he himself once said he could see himself playing for the Flyers down the road (not 100% sure on that). I'm sure it's overstated, but where there's smoke there is fire.

I'm not saying he doesn't want to play in Calgary, I'm saying he seems like a guy with a lot of things pulling him home that he probably wants to keep it an option and sooner than 8 years down the road. Things change. He could become part of the city, get a wife here, etc., but this is not his home. It's not even his country.

I really don't think this has any influence on him. I have a tight knit family, my mom would rather I didn't move to the coast when I was 23, did that change my mind? No. I was young, I wanted to separate myself somewhat from my family and go see what it was like to live somewhere else. I would argue a lot of young people feel this way.

You can't say for sure, but I think way too much is being made of it.

[JiriHrdina]

^I thought it was an interview where he talked about playing for the Devils at some point. I could be wrong.